Profile of a Derby Winner

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

KJ never won on dirt...and didn't run in the Derby.

http://www.drf.com/row/pps/kittensjoy.pdf

Jeez, no kidding. I think we're all a little slow this morning.

[slotdirt]

Do I win a prize? He ran pretty darn well for a horse that green in the Derby IIRC.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

was he owned by the yankees boss...and great thread guys..

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by GPK

It wasnt Tiago then?

Nope.

http://www.drf.com/row/pps/07santaanitaderby.pdf

He never crossed the finish line first until the SA Derby in start 4.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Showing Up?

Well done. Beat me to it. Nice trivia Doug....

That horse was something special when right.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

was he owned by the yankees boss...and great thread guys..

Nope... Lael stable. At the 1/8th pole it was Barbaro-Showing Up side by side, Showing Up was running like "what am I doing out here" green and STILL just missed hitting the board.

[ninetoone]

Great thread, thanks for the information.

[slotdirt]

Ah yes, that was the Brother Derek-Jazil PHOTO for fourth (or was it the show) Derby.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Ah yes, that was the Brother Derek-Jazil PHOTO for fourth (or was it the show) Derby.

Dead heat for 4th. Steppenwolfer was 3rd. Showing Up about 1/2 a length back if I remember correctly.

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by philcski

Nope... Lael stable. At the 1/8th pole it was Barbaro-Showing Up side by side, Showing Up was running like "what am I doing out here" green and STILL just missed hitting the board.

I laughed... I wonder how many times has one owner had arguably the two best horses in the Derby (at least since the Calumet days)?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ninetoone

Great thread, thanks for the information.

The pp's for the last six Derby's are still up on DRFs site.

I was trying to think of any other Derby startes from 2000-to-2002 who ran a triple digit Beyer beyond 6fs in start #2. The only one I can think of is Congaree.

http://www.drf.com/row/pps/congaree.pdf

He actually ran an outstanding 3rd in the Derby, he was on the lead after six furlong and a mile through killer fast fractions..and didn't have enough steam late to hold off perfect setup Monarchos in the stretch .. who he dusted the start before in the Wood.

I thought maybe Came Home and Medaglia D' Oro .. both did run triple digit figures in start #2 .. but both did so at your standard sprint distance of 6fs.

That Notonthesamepage horse ran a 104 in his 2nd start from this years crop - but that was at just 4.5fs. I think Old Fashioned's 15 1/2 length Delaware Park allowance win with a 96 Beyer stands out as clearly the best race so far by a 2nd timer from this crop.

And it's become pretty hard to knock the concept of a horse who debuts at Delaware being a serious Derby contender ... as Afleet Alex, Barbaro, Bellamy Road, Hard Spun, and Eight Belles all debuted at Delaware .. I believe last years Kentucky Oaks winner did as well.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The pp's for the last six Derby's are still up on DRFs site.

I was trying to think of any other Derby startes from 2000-to-2002 who ran a triple digit Beyer beyond 6fs in start #2. The only one I can think of is Congaree.

http://www.drf.com/row/pps/congaree.pdf

He actually ran an outstanding 3rd in the Derby, he was on the lead after six furlong and a mile through killer fast fractions..and didn't have enough steam late to hold off perfect setup Monarchos in the stretch .. who he dusted the start before in the Wood.

I thought maybe Came Home and Medaglia D' Oro .. both did run triple digit figures in start #2 .. but both did so at your standard sprint distance of 6fs.

That Notonthesamepage horse ran a 104 in his 2nd start from this years crop - but that was at just 4.5fs. I think Old Fashioned's 15 1/2 length Delaware Park allowance win with a 96 Beyer stands out as clearly the best race so far by a 2nd timer from this crop.

And it's become pretty hard to knock the concept of a horse who debuts at Delaware being a serious Derby contender ... as Afleet Alex, Barbaro, Bellamy Road, Hard Spun, and Eight Belles all debuted at Delaware .. I believe last years Kentucky Oaks winner did as well.

correct.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by philcski

Well done. Beat me to it. Nice trivia Doug....

That horse was something special when right.

IMO, Showing Up could have been any kind.
The Jacksons will spend millions trying to breed and buy the next big thing. But the odds are they will never get another Barbaro or Showing Up. Which came along for them in the same year.

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

IMO, Showing Up could have been any kind.
The Jacksons will spend millions trying to breed and buy the next big thing. But the odds are they will never get another Barbaro or Showing Up. Which came along for them in the same year.

don't forget they also bred George Washington that same year... don't know how many mares they have, but that's not a bad top three.

I don't know how active they are at the sales, but I don't believe they've spent a ton of money on buying colts (I could be really wrong on that one..) I know they bought Precious Kitten and one or two other turf mares.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by smuthg

don't forget they also bred George Washington that same year... don't know how many mares they have, but that's not a bad top three.

I don't know how active they are at the sales, but I don't believe they've spent a ton of money on buying colts (I could be really wrong on that one..) I know they bought Precious Kitten and one or two other turf mares.

They paid 6 million for Precious Kitten. I wonder what she would have brought yesterday??

I had forget about them breeding GW. WOW what a year.
The Jacksons bought Showing Up at the sale for 60k. Great buy.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I thought maybe Came Home and Medaglia D' Oro .. both did run triple digit figures in start #2 .. but both did so at your standard sprint distance of 6fs..

You know who else of recent vintage ran a 6f 2nd career start 100 Beyer?




Scrimshaw.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

And Ghostzapper...who ran a 99 Beyer at 6.5 furlongs as a 2-year-old in his debut ... was 4th in that race at about 1/9...and probably wisely laid up by Frankel afterwards... as he had Empire Maker, Peace Rules, and Midas Eyes going strong within the age divsion that year.

[robfla]

GZ ran

bsf = 99 / 84 / 102
dist.= 6.5f / 6f / 6f
odds=11.00 / .30 / .95
age = 2 / 2 / 3
the rest is history as they say