NFL Weekend Playoffs Thread

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

he played very well in the second half. very poor passes in the first half. our D lost this game in the first half for us and Akers didnt help. DM can throw the deep ball just fine... its those 5 yard passes that seem so hard for him. Its confusing.


I'm sick of getting my hopes up just to get my heart broken. like i said, 4 losses in the NFC championship game is nothing to be proud of.

But, it could be worst if you were a Bills fan.....

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I really don't think you can blame McNabb for this one. If I told all the Eagles fans that the iggs would score 25 before the game, most of you would have been booking air fare for Tampa. You hear alot about that Eagles defense (it's jusified they are a very good group), but they needed to make one more stand. They needed one guy to make a play and they couldn't get it done. To his credit Mcnabb looked like he was going to drive them right back. I still think Jackson short armed the 3rd down pass and Curtis should have had that ball on 4th down (I know there was some contact, but he still has to make that play). But bottom line is that the defense lost that game for the birds yesterday.

Agreed. To add, if I told eagle fans that Mcnabb was going to throw for 375 with 3 tds and 1 pick (really none) they would already be in tampa.

The defense allowed 32 points and a good portion of that was scored on sustained drives. Warner was 21-28 for 279 yds and 4 TDS. Edgerrin James gained 4.6 yds per carry. Most importantly? The Eagle defense DIDNT CREATE A SINGLE TURNOVER. They had two sacks after spending the entire afternoon blitzing.

That team thrived all season on turnovers and sacks. The only way you can fault the offense is that they couldnnt reinvent themselves into the 2007 patriots after the game started.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

That is my problem with him also. Sure he's rediculously talented, but he doesnt seem to be the smartest QB ever.

My BIGGEST problem with him is that he never has and never will win the big game. 5 NFC Championship games and 4 losses is not an accomplishment in my eyes. he didnt lose this game for the birds but he is a choker.

and I'm really getting sick of this no talent around him BULLSHIT. sure he may have not always had the best WR's (eventhough this years WR's are pretty good), but find another team out there besides the Pats who have had a better Defense, O-line, and runningback (Westbrook) in the last 10 years. the no talent **** is ****ing crazy and rediculous. So they had a terrific Defense, & great offense save some WR's yet poor McNabb has no talent and did all this **** himself Dala you have no idea what you are talking about.

You speak of this incredible defense and i agree they have been really good...except in the title games theyve lost. Against Tampa, at home, they gave up 27 points. Against The Rams, they gave up 29. Against Zona they give up 32. the only game he played poorly in was the Carolina game and he played the game with broken ribs suffered in the first quarter.

The line "they had a great defense and great offense save some receivers" is kind of like saying an omelette chef has great cheese and great bacon but shitty eggs.

You tell me a QB (besides maybe Tom Brady) who has accomplished nearly as much with as bad a supporting cast of receivers. You think this year's wide receivers are "pretty good"? Are you joking? THE EAGLES LEAD THE LEAGUE IN DROPPED PASSES.

These darn facts...

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

But, it could be worst if you were a Bills fan.....

If I were to buy a franchise today and you told me that i was going to go to the superbowl 4 straight and not win, I would have the money wired before the ink on the contract dried.

If someone then told me years later that if i hired a certain coach and QB, that they would go on to 5 conference championships in 10 years and 1 superbowl appearance, I would ask how much money each of those guys wanted to be paid and probably add another 10% to keep them happy.

[Antitrust32]

thats the difference between us.

you see 5 NFC Conference games with 4 losses as an accomplishment, I see it as a failure.

the only thing that ****ing matters in the league is getting a ring. that is all.

you're ****ing crazy if you dont think this years WR's are fine.... DeShaun Jackson (very good #2 guy, will develop into a good #1 WR), Kevin Curtis (also a very good #2 WR), Jason Avant (becoming a good WR eventhough he dropped one or two yesterday), Reggie Brown (not as good as should be but not bad for a 4th WR), Celeck is turning into a GREAT tight end, Hank Baskett (was going just fine till he started banging that chick from Girls next door) LJ Smith is a bust and I hate Greg Lewis.

How is that not a good group of WR's???? **** not every team can be the Cards or Pats and have Fitz/Bouldin & Moss/Welker.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

thats the difference between us.

you see 5 NFC Conference games with 4 losses as an accomplishment, I see it as a failure.

the only thing that ****ing matters in the league is getting a ring. that is all.

you're ****ing crazy if you dont think this years WR's are fine.... DeShaun Jackson (very good #2 guy, will develop into a good #1 WR), Kevin Curtis (also a very good #2 WR), Jason Avant (becoming a good WR eventhough he dropped one or two yesterday), Reggie Brown (not as good as should be but not bad for a 4th WR), Celeck is turning into a GREAT tight end, Hank Baskett (was going just fine till he started banging that chick from Girls next door) LJ Smith is a bust and I hate Greg Lewis.

How is that not a good group of WR's???? **** not every team can be the Cards or Pats and have Fitz/Bouldin & Moss/Welker.

If they were so good, how come they lead the league in dropped passes? I would think that a requisite to being considered a "good" receiver was actually catching the ball.

No?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

If they were so good, how come they lead the league in dropped passes? I would think that a requisite to being considered a "good" receiver was actually catching the ball.

No?

if they were so bad, how come McNabb threw for more yards this year than he has in his career??

I dont want to make excuses for dropped passes, cause a WR's job is to make a catch.. but if you have ever watched McNabb the past 10 years (and I get the feeling you dont), he is like Brett Favre. Lots of those short passes are dropped because the ball is travelling at 698MPH speeds. an intelligent person like yourself should have been able to know that.

Its been said many of times that balls thrown by McNabb and Favre are the hardest to catch.. It doesnt help when McNabb throws them at your feet either.

McNabb made a perfect sideline pass yesterday to Greg Lewis that was dropped... but Lewis sucks balls.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

if they were so bad, how come McNabb threw for more yards this year than he has in his career??

I dont want to make excuses for dropped passes, cause a WR's job is to make a catch.. but if you have ever watched McNabb the past 10 years (and I get the feeling you dont), he is like Brett Favre. Lots of those short passes are dropped because the ball is travelling at 698MPH speeds. an intelligent person like yourself should have been able to know that.

Its been said many of times that balls thrown by McNabb and Favre are the hardest to catch.. It doesnt help when McNabb throws them at your feet either.

McNabb made a perfect sideline pass yesterday to Greg Lewis that was dropped... but Lewis sucks balls.

He threw for more yards this year because he had more attempts than he ever had with 571

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

He threw for more yards this year because he had more attempts than he ever had with 571

whatever bitch, you win... McNabb is the greatest player ever to have lived and all the dogs that play on the team with him should be fired, cause McNabb is the only reason the Eagles have ever won a game.

Thats why McNabb has so many rings on his fingers and why the entire city of Philadelphia loves him, because hes the greatest evah!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

whatever bitch, you win... McNabb is the greatest player ever to have lived and all the dogs that play on the team with him should be fired, cause McNabb is the only reason the Eagles have ever won a game.

Thats why McNabb has so many rings on his fingers and why the entire city of Philadelphia loves him, because hes the greatest evah!

I love you

I think the bottom line is what you said earlier. We view success differently. You think anything short of a title is a failure. i don't. I think what Philly has accomplished over the last ten years is the greatest span of success that franchise has ever enjoyed and the coach, QB and certain players should be lauded. I think the owner should be proud. I think the team is making a ton of money.

But I understand your thinking. Its just differrent than mine thats all.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I love you

I think the bottom line is what you said earlier. We view success differently. You think anything short of a title is a failure. i don't. I think what Philly has accomplished over the last ten years is the greatest span of success that franchise has ever enjoyed and the coach, QB and certain players should be lauded. I think the owner should be proud. I think the team is making a ton of money.

But I understand your thinking. Its just differrent than mine thats all.

I didnt mean to call you a bitch, you just piss me off. It must be love lol...

you have to think from a perspective of a Philadelphia sporty fan... we dont get many championships in this major sports city (thank GOD for the Phillies), we are SOOO STARVING for a Superbowl title that anything less than that is failure. (IMO and lots of other Eagles fans agree... Declan is actually a pretty level-headed birds fan, you dont find too many of them).

Even if McNabb had four losses in the NFC Championship game... but in that 5th one he won and THEN won the Superbowl, I'd love McNabb & Reid till I died and get McNabbs sexy face tatoo'd over my heart. I'm just waiting for something thats not going to happen.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You can't blame McNabb for losing. But, he did make 2 poor throws on their final drive. The Eagles drop a lot of passes. But I wonder how many of those drops were because of the pass being not exactly on the money. There is no denying McNabb's talent. I just think he lies somewhere in the middle of where you two are saying. Definitely not as good as Dala thinks and not as bad as Uncly thinks.

i do NOT blame McNabb for this loss, its all on the D.

I actually think McNabb is incredibly talented, and when he uses his legs and takes off running, he could be the best QB in the league. But his record in the big games speak for themself, and I am tired of getting my hopes up and my dreams shattered.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I love you

I think the bottom line is what you said earlier. We view success differently. You think anything short of a title is a failure. i don't. I think what Philly has accomplished over the last ten years is the greatest span of success that franchise has ever enjoyed and the coach, QB and certain players should be lauded. I think the owner should be proud. I think the team is making a ton of money.
But I understand your thinking. Its just differrent than mine thats all.

Fans don't give a damn how much money teams make. All they want is championships. It also doesn't help when all the other teams in your division(that you despise) have had success multiple times. They have been close for a while, they needed to close the deal this time. You might call it a successful season. I guess you can say that based on their playoff chances being on life support late in the season. But realistically (in my opinion, which means zilch) they are the better team, and were within 7 minutes of going to Tampa. They couldn't close the deal and get it done with that supposedly vaunted defense they have. That last 7 minutes turned an argueably successful season, into another bitter failure. And questions of what could of been.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i do NOT blame McNabb for this loss, its all on the D.

I actually think McNabb is incredibly talented, and when he uses his legs and takes off running, he could be the best QB in the league. But his record in the big games speak for themself, and I am tired of getting my hopes up and my dreams shattered.

4th and 26...not that's shattered

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Fans don't give a damn how much money teams make. All they want is championships. It also doesn't help when all the other teams in your division(that you despise) have had success multiple times. They have been close for a while, they needed to close the deal this time. You might call it a successful season. I guess you can say that based on their playoff chances being on life support late in the season. But realistically (in my opinion, which means zilch) they are the better team, and were within 7 minutes of going to Tampa. They couldn't close the deal and get it done with that supposedly vaunted defense they have. That last 7 minutes turned an argueably successful season, into another bitter failure. And questions of what could of been.

I know what you are saying. My point was merely that the money they make is another sign that they are a successful franchise thats all.

My opinion of the eagles? They have groomed a couple of good young lineman to go along with another good young linebacker and they will add more pieces in the offseason. This team is primed to be very good again next year.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I know you aren't blaming McNabb. I agree a good portion of the loss is on the D. But, on that final drive, when the Tom Brady's of the world take over, McNabb didn't.

i agree. He runs the 2 min drill much better at the end of the first half than at the end of the game..


what i dont understand is how larry fitz can do what he does... can anybody in the league cover him without using 2/3 men?? he's unreal. Warner is also a cool customer in those big games... 4TD passes. nice game by Kurt, and he didnt give up any turnovers, which were part of the reason the Eagles crushed them in November...

Philly is lucky to have him.
He is a damn good QB.

But...
For anyone who actually watched the game,
McNabb was bad in the first part of the game.
He missed, underthrew and overthrew open receivers,
two of which would have been touchdowns after the run.
14-6 would have been 14-14.

He got in rythym and was very, very good. He was putting
short and long passes right on the money allowing receivers
to catch in stride and make even more yardage. He was also
given very good protection for most of the game. He had
eons of time to hit some very wide open receivers.

The next to last drive (last drive there was, what 9 secs left?)
he again made some bad passes but then came through hitting
Curtis on the money. Pass interference. I really thought the Eagles
offense as a whole played well considering Westbrook half speed.
But Warner and Fitzgerald ripped them a new one. The D was
beaten by a very hot team offensively. The Cardinals really are
playing very well offensively. Pittsburg had better hit Warner
in the mouth all game or they too will get scored on.

ONe thing no one has really talked about.

A. Boldin screaming at the Cards offensive Coordinator
IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FCKN GAME WHILE HE IS MAKING
CALLS??????

I would give him a good bhatch slap up side the head and run.
The O-lineman on the Cards should have physically
sat his butt down. You dont screw with the offensive coord.
while the offense is on the field and he is trying to make
calls. That was absolutely absurd, worse than TO behavior.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Fans don't give a damn how much money teams make. All they want is championships. It also doesn't help when all the other teams in your division(that you despise) have had success multiple times. They have been close for a while, they needed to close the deal this time. You might call it a successful season. I guess you can say that based on their playoff chances being on life support late in the season. But realistically (in my opinion, which means zilch) they are the better team, and were within 7 minutes of going to Tampa. They couldn't close the deal and get it done with that supposedly vaunted defense they have. That last 7 minutes turned an argueably successful season, into another bitter failure. And questions of what could of been.

i think the eagles and ravens were out of gas.they were both playing for the lives the last couple weeks and needed help to make the playoffs. you can only keep that up for so long.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I know you aren't blaming McNabb. I agree a good portion of the loss is on the D. But, on that final drive, when the Tom Brady's of the world take over, McNabb didn't.

i'll agree DM might not take control all the time he should. his mates don't always help him by making a play or catch when he needs it. at times i don't think reid's play sequences are very good either.

i shouldn't say this but DM in a viking uni and the viks would be a Very dangerous team. imo.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

i think the eagles and ravens were out of gas.they were both playing for the lives the last couple weeks and needed help to make the playoffs. you can only keep that up for so long.

I agree with the Ravens. They aren't built to come from behind, let alone against a defense like Pittsburgh. But for the Eagles it's inexcuseable. You hear alot about their defense all year long (with good reason). You have the lead with seven minutes left and the NFC championship on the line. You have to get it done, tired or not. Opportunities like this don't come often. It wasn't like they were on the field alot in the second half. The defense was dominant for 23 plus minutes in the second half, but it was the last 7 which costed them a trip to Tampa.