100-0 basketball game -- wrong or not?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

I don't want to see it happen, but what rule did he break while doing his job ?
If that can't be answered, he's getting something.

High School sports are not just about winning and losing. I think he broke lots of morality codes and integrity codes.

And considering that the school fired him (not because of the game) but because he wrote a letter to the newspaper saying he wasnt sorry about anything... after the school had tried to forfeit and gave apologies.

He wont win a darn thing in my opinion.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

High School sports are not just about winning and losing. I think he broke lots of morality codes and integrity codes.

And considering that the school fired him (not because of the game) but because he wrote a letter to the newspaper saying he wasnt sorry about anything... after the school had tried to forfeit and gave apologies.

He wont win a darn thing in my opinion.

Ok, like with Timm, I'm not reading the same things you are. The article does not say that he was fired because of the letter he wrote. It says it's unclear if it's because of the score of the game or because he says he's not sorry. Either way, I don't see where they have any just cause for firing him. As a basketball coach, he could win 200-0 if he so feels like it and he can't be fired for it. And if he knows the he was really trying to keep the score down and that it could have been worse had he wanted it to be, he has no reason to apologize for his behavior as he did nothing wrong. It also doesn't say the school tried to forfeit the game at all. If anyone should be fired, it should be the coach of the other team for scheduling his disadvantaged girls against an opponent that was capable of beating them that bad. Whether the beating was 100-0, 50-0, 75-6......this was a game that shouldn't have been scheduled in the first place.

I don't know if any of you remember the story of that kid in NY (I think it was NY) last year that had the developmental problems and the coach finally put him in during the last game of his last season? That might not be exactly accurate but it was something like that. This kid was finally put into a game and ended up scoring something like 20 points in the last five minutes of the game. Should his coach have told him, after finally putting him in a game, to just hold the ball and not shoot? Don't try to score or do anything to embarrass the other team? Is that what this coach should have done? Told his team to not play any defense and just let the other team score and then when we have the ball, don't do anything at all. Just inbound it and stand there. Don't shoot because there's no shot clock so we don't have to. Maybe to be a little bit nicer to them, throw a bad pass or two so they can steal it and then let them score. What do you do?

[Antitrust32]

King, read this article. This is where I am getting my statements from. You will totally change your opinion. Also, it was the Dallas Academy team that only had 8 players.

http://sports.espn.go.com/highschool...ory?id=3852460


edit: also I told you what I would do if I was the coach in Post 26

[Antitrust32]

Great quote in the ESPN article by the head of the winning school

"A victory without honor is a great loss"

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

I only saw the two articles highlighted in this thread.

Where did I miss the part about Coach Grimes writing a letter to a newspaper ?

you didnt miss it... it wasnt brought up in the thread before I mentioned it.

http://www.rutlandherald.com/article...30/1007/SPORTS

here ya go.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

King, read this article. This is where I am getting my statements from. You will totally change your opinion. Also, it was the Dallas Academy team that only had 8 players.

http://sports.espn.go.com/highschool...ory?id=3852460


edit: also I told you what I would do if I was the coach in Post 26

Now, this story tells a different story. If this story is accurate, then I think firing him is justified and that the act was classless.

I'm glad to see that Dallas Academy has cancelled the rematch and the rest of their games for this season. They haven't won a game in four years. This was never going to end well.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Now, this story tells a different story. If this story is accurate, then I think firing him is justified and that the act was classless.

I'm glad to see that Dallas Academy has cancelled the rematch and the rest of their games for this season. They haven't won a game in four years. This was never going to end well.

This was the first article I read about this subject.... now you know why I formed all the opinions I did & why it upset me so much...

I also trust ESPN as a source (eventhough PacMan may disagree), and considering all of the controversy created by this I bet the ESPN article was right on point.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

thats is just totally incorrect in this case. The team that lost is a school for kids with learning disabilities. What the winning coach did was just wrong.


As for King's points about maybe 100-0 was taking it easy on them is complete BS. Its high school, they play short quarters. This team was shooting 3's and running the full court press after they were already up 59-0 at halftime.

It was a disgrace to high school athletics.

then the 2 teams had NO business playing each other!

shooting 3's was better than lay-up drill. 3's lowers the shooting percentage.

i don't know what kind of high school you went to but the league we play in was as cut-throat as it got. 8 teams in the league and 5 teams would make the playoffs at 2 different classes in 2 states. we only lost 10 games in 4 years and 2 of those losses were the state semi's.

from what i've read there are differing accounts of the game, to call it a disgrace.

[MaTH716]

It just seems that there are many guilty parties here.

1. The head coach of the losing team. For having them in a division or a leauge that they are not capable of competing in (I could be wrong here, I'm not sure of their record but just attempting 7 shots all game tell me they have no one to dribble the ball).

2. Leauge director or commish. For either letting the team play in the division. Not briefing other teams coaches about the nature of the team with the special needs. Maybe adapt some sort of mercy rules so game like this don't get out of hand again.

3. Obviously the other teams coach, for not calling the dogs off. At some point just have your guys stand in a stationary position andlet them score a few points.

4. Referees: when it's starting to get out of hand, call some fouls (even if they are phantom) to keep the other team from pressing. Also to get the other team to the line and maybe get a few points on the board.

It's easy just to blame the coach (he is the biggest culprit), but there are other people here that let these kids down too.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Ok, so the score is 59-0 at halftime. First of all, that's bad enough. Why was this game even scheduled in the first place is my question? Second, I would wonder if either coach went to the other and said "hey, let's call this off." Now, once the game went into the second half, all of you that are against the winning coach, how would you have handled it? Do you put in your three bench players and tell them to just stand there and hold the ball at halfcourt? Since there is no shot clock, technically, he can just have his players stand there and just hold the ball for the whole quarter. Is that what you would have had your players do?

There are huge disparities in this state among private schools. This team probably had very few teams that it could play, the leagues are just not that big.
Example: Dallas Bishop Lynch, also a private parochial school, routinely recruits college caliber players for its girls team. They have won the state title in TAAPS 19 out of the past 20 years. They kill the same Catholic school located in San Antonio in the title game every other year it seems. This team also recruits. The interesting thing is the public schools are usually better.

So I guess it was probably a very difficult situation.

BTW. They showed this team practicing after this destruction on the hardwood. My daughter's high school team would have slaughtered this 100-0winner. My daughter's team finished 3rd to last (9 teams) in their 5A (largest schools usually 2800 kids and up) division. So my question is what the heck was wrong with that other team? Was it a school for the blind or some school for kids that are disabled...? I have not found anything out about this...

OOps. Just read it was a special needs team.
That explains it.
Good Christ... forget the above.

[Danzig]

when i went to school, our football team was an absolute laughing stock. we lost double digits to nothing who knows how many times. it's not fun, but we found humor in it. especially if we ever found a way to get any points on the board-we considered that a victory in itself. now, i'm competitive as hell. to lose to a better player, i can handle that. i think it would tick me off a lot more if i lost and knew the other team was sandbagging. now, that probably doesn't apply in this instance... the big question would be why schedule such disparate teams? the second question would be why is there no mercy rule, or why didn't they just forfeit before the second half? also, from what i read a few days ago, the crowd was behind the team scoring-i think they wanted their team to get to triple digits. and then the coach gets fired for doing what the parents and fans seemingly wanted? perhaps more than the coach should get some attention from the powers that be there.

don't they have divisions for sports? we go from 6-a to 1-a in arkansas, surely they can find a better fit for that team?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I see nothing wrong with it.

In fact, now that I'm in Florida, I stopped by a senior citizen village yesterday and totally ABUSED a couple old bags at some hoops.

I guess I might have been called for a charge or six if a ref was present with some of my power moves.

I still got it - threw down a nice one hand dunk in the face of some old lady I thought I recognized from an old Colonial Penn Insurance commerical.

[Danzig]

did you see wilford brimley or robert wagner?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I see nothing wrong with it.

In fact, now that I'm in Florida, I stopped by a senior citizen village yesterday and totally ABUSED a couple old bags at some hoops.

I guess I might have been called for a charge or six if a ref was present with some of my power moves.

I still got it - threw down a nice one hand dunk in the face of some old lady I thought I recognized from an old Colonial Penn Insurance commerical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCru-0-mIC4