Andy Beyer, Dutrow, DRF

justindew · #1 01-29-2009, 09:19 PM

I have never seen a news article written by a reporter for a publication about the response to a column that appeared in said publication. It seems like DRF is trying to offer some kind of apology for Beyer's column, which is ridiculous if that is in fact what they are doing. Dutrow's response to Beyer's column is not news. His explanation for the horse's turnaround IS, however. But DRF making Beyer's column the focus of this article seems odd to me.

I also think it's totally disingenuous for Dutrow and Walder to suggest that Beyer should not have written what he wrote without gathering all the facts or visiting the barns in question. As if Beyer would have snooped around and found drugs in the barn. Plus, Beyer's column was based on years and years of his own analysis of stats which clearly back up his suggestion.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/101362.html

Riot · #2 01-29-2009, 09:33 PM

If you publish a polarizing or opinionated editorial, and are facing what someone could be thinking of as lawsuit territory, wouldn't you allow that someone to have as many column inches as they desired, if that would make them happy?

We'll see if the connections end up on ATR (I didn't get to listen yet today)

If Beyer is way off base and mistaken, the people he is accusing (especially after repeating his opinion on ATR) may have the confidence to take a big step against Beyer.

The Indomitable DrugS · #3 01-29-2009, 09:34 PM

My favorite part was Marty Wolfson.

He wants Beyer to come down and visit his barn so he can show them all the legal treatments he does to improve horses.

He should be inviting Todd Pletcher and Bill Mott to his barn ... because Wolfson has made a mockery of those two hacks.

He's winning Graded Stakes with 113 Beyers sprinting - and winning million dollar races in blowout fashion routing - with a pair of horses who stunk when Pletcher had them.

Miesque's Approval goes from sad old claimer with Mott - two races later he blows em away in the Sunshine Millions Turf at 49/1.... a few months later he wins the BC Mile by daylight. A few months after that Miesque's Approval finishes 15th beaten 30 lengths on the turf in Dubai ... but hey, he did beat home last place finisher - former miracle claimer Lava Man - who was 16th by 40 in that same Dubai race. A couple horses who didn't seem so impressive racing without those precious legal meds.

However, I was sad to read that John Ward and Joe Orseno are upset.

blackthroatedwind · #4 01-29-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

If you publish a polarizing or opinionated editorial, and are facing what someone could be thinking of as lawsuit territory, wouldn't you allow that someone to have as many column inches as they desired, if that would make them happy?

We'll see if the connections end up on ATR (I didn't get to listen yet today)

If Beyer is way off base and mistaken, the people he is accusing (especially after repeating his opinion on ATR) may have the confidence to take a big step against Beyer.

Based on this, you might want to reconsider law school.

pweizer · #5 01-29-2009, 09:39 PM

These kind of attacks drive me crazy. Have you ever met Marty Wolfson? I would bet that most who criticize him here have not yet they know for a fact that he is a crook. Amazing.

Paul

jwkniska · #6 01-29-2009, 09:39 PM

Wolfson was caught with a positive at AP a couple years ago on million preview day and had to give back the purse $$ and said he'd never ship another horse to IL.
Wish they'd have found that during the race, as that horse winning cost me all the bets I had on the race.

blackthroatedwind · #7 01-29-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pweizer

These kind of attacks drive me crazy. Have you ever met Marty Wolfson? I would bet that most who criticize him here have not yet they know for a fact that he is a crook. Amazing.

Paul

I assume you were referring to Riot's post.....as I searched this thread and that was the closest I could find to an " attack. "

Was something deleted?

pweizer · #8 01-29-2009, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

My favorite part was Marty Wolfson.

He wants Beyer to come down and visit his barn so he can show them all the legal treatments he does to improve horses.

He should be inviting Todd Pletcher and Bill Mott to his barn ... because Wolfson has made a mockery of those two hacks.

He's winning Graded Stakes with 113 Beyers sprinting - and winning million dollar races in blowout fashion routing - with a pair of horses who stunk when Pletcher had them.

Miesque's Approval goes from sad old claimer with Mott - two races later he blows em away in the Sunshine Millions Turf at 49/1.... a few months later he wins the BC Mile by daylight. A few months after that Miesque's Approval finishes 15th beaten 30 lengths on the turf in Dubai ... but hey, he did beat home last place finisher - former miracle claimer Lava Man - who was 16th by 40 in that same Dubai race. A couple horses who didn't seem so impressive racing without those precious legal meds.

However, I was sad to read that John Ward and Joe Orseno are upset.

This was the post that I was referring to. I respect everyone's opinion. However, when people throw our accusations with no personal knowledge, it is irresponsible.

Paul

blackthroatedwind · #9 01-29-2009, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pweizer

This was the post that I was referring to. I respect everyone's opinion. However, when people throw our accusations with no personal knowledge, it is irresponsible.

Paul

I read that post a couple of times.....where are the irresponsible accusations?

justindew · #10 01-29-2009, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pweizer

These kind of attacks drive me crazy. Have you ever met Marty Wolfson? I would bet that most who criticize him here have not yet they know for a fact that he is a crook. Amazing.

Paul

How is pointing out that certain trainers, some of whom have been disciplined for drug infractions, are able to bring about unprecedented turnarounds in horses they just obtained and as a result some people assume drugs are involved an "attack"?

Find one false statement in Beyer's column.

Riot · #11 01-29-2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Based on this, you might want to reconsider law school.

I wrote: "If Beyer is way off base and mistaken, the people he is accusing (especially after repeating his opinion on ATR) may have the confidence to take a big step against Beyer."

Do YOU think we will see that?

I don't.

pweizer · #12 01-29-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Well, first you said Wolfson never had numbers like the other guys beyer mentioned. That claim was proven incorrect. And surprisingly you failed to address it. Now, because Wolfson is a nice guy, he gets an exemption. I love it.

I don't get into pissing matches on the internet. They can't be won. People can say whatever they want about others they have never met. You apparently know him far better than I do.

Paul

blackthroatedwind · #13 01-29-2009, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pweizer

I don't get into pissing matches on the internet. They can't be won. People can say whatever they want about others they have never met. You apparently know him far better than I do.

Paul

You don't want to get into a pissing match, which I understand, but actually you are the only one in this thread that made unfair accusations. Don't you feel a need to answer to that?

Scav · #14 01-29-2009, 10:07 PM

Man oh man. Gotta love a 'drugs' conversation. Want to get a message board going, talk about drugs, jockeys, hilarious announcers, or bs horses.

The only people that know what is going on are the people themselves, and the people that possibly may be helping them. All of this is obvious statistical speculation, which can be considered strong. Personally I can only go off what I hear, my opinion is almost worthless when it comes to this topic.

I will say that the move ups of both MA and Its a Bird are quite interesting. Its a Bird couldn't win a race at Arlington Park last year and now he is winning 500k races. I don't know what he is doing, but whatever he is doing, it works.

Riot · #15 01-29-2009, 10:20 PM

This thread is exactly why all pre- and post-race testing, and the RMTC, should be eliminated.

Riot · #16 01-29-2009, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Good idea. Let's just put our collective heads in the sand and accept that the same few guys seem to perform miracle after miracle. because I'm sure these miracle workers aren't smart enough to figure out how to get by the tests.