Bejarano mr hollywood

I think he is settling in quite nicely.

Has only taken 3 of the first 4 stakes races today
in addition to doing quite nicely the in the first few
opening days and he thanks you.

peace out and kisses...

[eajinabi]

More lke Mr. So. Cal. Absolute Dominance.

I really liked how he schooled Joel Rosario today in the third race.

And he just pulls a 9/1 horse in a 200k
stakes to a clean win. 4 out of 6 so far
on mighty Gold Rush day.

Again he peaces out and throws kisses.
Give the man the track for steven christ sakes.

for the love of GOD

5 out of 7

[Bobby Fischer]

looked like a perfect start in the Snow Chief, but only could get 2nd with Gomez wire-to-wire.

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

looked like a perfect start in the Snow Chief, but only could get 2nd with Gomez wire-to-wire.

Tied a meet record I think.
R and B would have broken it with one more.

Originally Posted by eajinabi

More lke Mr. So. Cal. Absolute Dominance.

I really liked how he schooled Joel Rosario today in the third race.

He didn't school dick. He had the best horse and the better post.

Weenie !

[philcski]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

He didn't school dick. He had the best horse and the better post.

Weenie !

Vic you've been calling races for almost as long as I've been alive (31 years now.) If you want to say that RB had the better horse that's fine, true on previous form and on the tote (4.90-1 vs 6.80-1), but you know as well as I do that going to the better post excuse is pretty weak. Almost as absurd as a trainer going to the "cuppy track" argument.

Post positions in 99% of races are irrelevant. One of the few places they aren't, ironically, are at HP at a mile and a sixteenth on the main.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by philcski

Vic you've been calling races for almost as long as I've been alive (31 years now.) If you want to say that RB had the better horse that's fine, true on previous form and on the tote (4.90-1 vs 6.80-1), but you know as well as I do that going to the better post excuse is pretty weak. Almost as absurd as a trainer going to the "cuppy track" argument.

Post positions in 99% of races are irrelevant. One of the few places they aren't, ironically, are at HP at a mile and a sixteenth on the main.

Cuppy track is a legit excuse ......non of that on synthetic.....RB had a great , Kudos to him all the connections.

[chucklestheclown]

Someone posted a picture of his ugly furniture here. And his adorable family.
His wife's name is Kimber. What does that mean? Is it short for Kimberly or a mispelling of timber? I'm glad he didn't tie the record, the horses he was riding don't belong in the same breath with those of the Shoe and Pincay.

Originally Posted by philcski

Vic you've been calling races for almost as long as I've been alive (31 years now.) If you want to say that RB had the better horse that's fine, true on previous form and on the tote (4.90-1 vs 6.80-1), but you know as well as I do that going to the better post excuse is pretty weak. Almost as absurd as a trainer going to the "cuppy track" argument.

Post positions in 99% of races are irrelevant. One of the few places they aren't, ironically, are at HP at a mile and a sixteenth on the main.

Post positions as far as overall statistics will prove your point. Individual races though can be a factor. Like today for instance. Bejarano had the rail and that was an unqestioned advantage. It allowed him to dictate tactics to Rosario. Joel's only recourse would have been to do something stupid on Spinning Yarns and compromise her chances at getting second. Reverse the post positions and it's a photo. Just the difference in ground covered would have made the race very close.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

He didn't school dick. He had the best horse and the better post.

Weenie !

Now Vic be nice . I like Rosario but Rafael B had Rosario on a string on that race. Excellent ride by Bejarano.

You have to give credit when its due.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Post positions as far as overall statistics will prove your point. Individual races though can be a factor. Like today for instance. Bejarano had the rail and that was an unqestioned advantage. It allowed him to dictate tactics to Rosario. Joel's only recourse would have been to do something stupid on Spinning Yarns and compromise her chances at getting second. Reverse the post positions and it's a photo. Just the difference in ground covered would have made the race very close.

While I agree with most of this, I do think that the track played a major factor in allowing your guy to get 2nd. On a fair turf course, chasing the way he did, especially on the outside and choking his filly down early, would've gotten him run down late for 2nd. But, the argument could always be that he rode the track. I have complaints with Rosario but this certainly wasn't one of his worst rides.

Now, I don't understand why jocks ride the way they do. You're clearly aware of his ground loss in this race and the advantage that the winner had because of the post and having more speed early. Why, then, rather than taking the turn in the 2+ path and chasing OUTSIDE the winner, not get inside, and behind, the speed, and make a single run in the stretch? He was strong enough to hold the filly back early, so it's not like he couldn't have taken her back behind the 4 horse. This is the only way to beat a horse that has an advantage on a speed favoring track. In any event, after the slow 1st quarter, it was all academic. Your guy wasn't winning and the chalk certainly wasn't closing.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Post positions as far as overall statistics will prove your point. Individual races though can be a factor. Like today for instance. Bejarano had the rail and that was an unqestioned advantage. It allowed him to dictate tactics to Rosario. Joel's only recourse would have been to do something stupid on Spinning Yarns and compromise her chances at getting second. Reverse the post positions and it's a photo. Just the difference in ground covered would have made the race very close.

I watched the race a few more times to make sure I wasn't missing anything. If you want to pin it on something other than RB having the better horse today, since she did it pretty comfortably, you can put it on that ridiculous Warren's Highroller bothering Spinning Yarns early, costing him a better position into the first turn, You Lift Me Up missing the break and not being in her normal position keeping Bootleg Annie company up front (as you noted in the running,) and Bel Air Sizzle not running a lick (and I'm sure the other jockeys, including JR, were waiting on her to make a move SOMEWHERE in the race.)

Really, in the end, they carouseled around there with the moderate early pace so to say Joel Rosario did anything wrong is categorically unfair to him. He did a good job to secure second when the win was out of the question. I just hate the post position argument- especially in a 6 horse field where there is about 3/16ths of a mile to the first turn.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

While I agree with most of this, I do think that the track played a major factor in allowing your guy to get 2nd. On a fair turf course, chasing the way he did, especially on the outside and choking his filly down early, would've gotten him run down late for 2nd. But, the argument could always be that he rode the track. I have complaints with Rosario but this certainly wasn't one of his worst rides.

Now, I don't understand why jocks ride the way they do. You're clearly aware of his ground loss in this race and the advantage that the winner had because of the post and having more speed early. Why, then, rather than taking the turn in the 2+ path and chasing OUTSIDE the winner, not get inside, and behind, the speed, and make a single run in the stretch? He was strong enough to hold the filly back early, so it's not like he couldn't have taken her back behind the 4 horse. This is the only way to beat a horse that has an advantage on a speed favoring track. In any event, after the slow 1st quarter, it was all academic. You guy wasn't winning and the chalk certainly wasn't closing.

I know it's early in the meet but there's been 4-5 wirejobs and a couple 2nd-3rd sitters on the turf. There's only been two winners to close from worse than 3rd midrace- and one of them was even money against a very moderate MSW field. I hate to declare a bias unless I'm absolutely sure but this evidence seems pretty strong.

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Now Vic be nice . I like Rosario but Rafael B had Rosario on a string on that race. Excellent ride by Bejarano.

You have to give credit when its due.

I do. The credit goes to Kathy Walsh and Bootleg Annie. Bejarano is a great rider. There's not a jock in the room that wouldn't have won on that mare today.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I do. The credit goes to Kathy Walsh and Bootleg Annie. Bejarano is a great rider. There's not a jock in the room that wouldn't have won on that mare today.

Hey Vic why do you think Hollywood took a bath on the P6 today? Has this ever happened before?

Originally Posted by docicu3

Hey Vic why do you think Hollywood took a bath on the P6 today? Has this ever happened before?

No opinion. Don't know. Just the piano player.

Originally Posted by docicu3

Hey Vic why do you think Hollywood took a bath on the P6 today? Has this ever happened before?

Obama.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

No opinion. Don't know. Just the piano player.

I was wondering if it was a sign of what is to come....The legal wagers on the Derby the last few years have been just under a half a billion. I am curious to see if handle is affected this year..

I just can't remember a California P6 ever having a negative pool.