4/27: Incident mars Derby Works..

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

CNN Headline news just showed the crash!! It was awful!! That horse had a full head of steam built up,no rider and just plowed into the other.

Un****ing believable that they find it necessary to show that....

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

CNN Headline news just showed the crash!! It was awful!! That horse had a full head of steam built up,no rider and just plowed into the other.

Thank God they got that footage. It's really relevent to this weekend's race.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by jms62

Un****ing believeable that they find it necessary to show that....

Sadly it's not unbelievable.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Sadly it's not unbelievable.

Unfortunately I agree. There is something morally corrupt about showing the death of a living being to grab a few ratings points...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Go talk to a trainer about the impact that racing over hard tracks have on the horses (splints, etc.), and maybe you'll change your opinion.

The track cushion has been made deeper and deeper over the years ...

Have the horses become more sound as a result?

A lot of times when the track is very fast - it is wrongly viewed to be speed favoring by jocks and horseman - and the races tend to be a little more demandingly run.

I guess let's just run everything on poly track where the distance horses go 50 and change under holds and still fade through the stretch.

I'd hate to see a track like the one Gulfstream had on Sunshine Millions day.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

arent the Churchill races generally weak except for a few days a year?

yes

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The track cushion has been made deeper and deeper over the years ...

Have the horses become more sound as a result?

A lot of times when the track is very fast - it is wrongly viewed to be speed favoring by jocks and horseman - and the races tend to be a little more demandingly run.

I guess let's just run everything on poly track where the distance horses go 50 and change under holds and still fade through the stretch.

I'd hate to see a track like the one Gulfstream had on Sunshine Millions day.

Is your avatar a bet with John White that POTN finishes exactly 8th in the Derby?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I enjoy Jon White a lot for the most part.

If POTN wins the Derby - I will have an avatar of myself here for the rest of the year.

If POTN finishes ahead of IWR - I will have an avatar of myself till Preakness day.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by jms62

Un****ing believable that they find it necessary to show that....

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Thank God they got that footage. It's really relevent to this weekend's race.

Originally Posted by jms62

Unfortunately I agree. There is something morally corrupt about showing the death of a living being to grab a few ratings points...

Everyone keeps begging for more television coverage... Well we got it.

They showed that Nascar crash a bunch of times this morning on ESPN too.

When the cameras are present, this is what you get.

I hope the NTRA doesn't take away the safety accreditation.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I enjoy Jon White a lot for the most part.

If POTN wins the Derby - I will have an avatar of myself here for the rest of the year.

If POTN finishes ahead of IWR - I will have an avatar of myself till Preakness day.

Don't you already?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Don't you already?

Not quite.

And if POTN wins the triple crown ... naked photos.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Scurlogue Champ

Everyone keeps begging for more television coverage... Well we got it.

They showed that Nascar crash a bunch of times this morning on ESPN too.

When the cameras are present, this is what you get.

I hope the NTRA doesn't take away the safety accreditation.

Not exactly a great analogy. This was an accident outside of competition and unrelated to the Derby. The Nascar crash was during a race.

However, I understand why it was on, I just think it's unfortunate.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by philcski

Finally, the times on the inner track this winter were because the horses running were truly terrible, worse than any year previous, not because the track was inherently safer- plus, you cannot compare a two turn mile to a one turn mile.

I guess that we'll have to agree to disagree over the relative speed of the Churchill racing surface this weekend. But just like all stakes races are not equal, neither are all claiming races. Sometimes, they come up tougher than usual; other times not. The races this weekend at Churchill all seemed to come up universally weak for the respective class levels, so we're not necessarily comparing apples to apples.

The inner track was slower than usual this winter (with admittedly weak horses sometimes clocking miles in 1:41 or 1:42) because of the cold winter preventing the NYRA track maintenance crew from watering the track, the result being a very dry, cuppy racing surface.

The 1:39 and 1:40 times to which I was referring were to one turn miles. In this regard, a perfect example of an abnormally slow, tiring racing surface was Aqueduct on Saturday, April 11. Churchill on Saturday pales in comparison.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Not quite.

And if POTN wins the triple crown ... naked photos.

Wouldn't that accomplishment be upsetting enough?

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Not exactly a great analogy. This was an accident outside of competition and unrelated to the Derby. The Nascar crash was during a race.

However, I understand why it was on, I just think it's unfortunate.

It is unfortunate, I agree.

But you and I both know these accidents happen every morning. There just isn't anyone there to see it.

When outside media shows up, they usually show the extremes of anything.

They won't show the replay of the Stephen Foster on CNN, but they'll show horses and/or people in an accident.

Just like they won't have a spot just showing traffic flowing nicely, but they'll feature a grisly wreck.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

And if POTN wins the triple crown ... naked photos.

Let's not make this one of those Kurt Paseka/El Senor situations.

[robfla]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Gandolphin? Wasn't he in Lord of the Rings?

At least he won't have trouble finding a jockey?

i really laughed

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I guess let's just run everything on poly track where the distance horses go 50 and change under holds and still fade through the stretch.

How about 2 recent TURF against-the-PACE 'classics':

1) Winter View in the Bewitch

2) Madeo in the Ingelwood.

Surprisingly, even Vic knows enough to understand that it's all about WHEN you move and not the fractions.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

You are doing quite a number on my ankles.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Let's not make this one of those Kurt Paseka/El Senor situations.

I saw Kurt this weekend.