Borel off Bird for Rachel in Preakness - Page 2

dagolfer33 · #21 05-07-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

ARIEL SMITH

J D ACOSTA he does great at CT

Scav · #22 05-07-2009, 09:55 AM

Shane Laviolette is available

slotdirt · #23 05-07-2009, 09:55 AM

JD Acosta? What, no Gerald Almodovar?

Not for nothing, guys, but the way she jogged in the Oaks, I can't imagine she wouldn't be ready to come back for the Preakness.

Scav · #24 05-07-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

JD Acosta? What, no Gerald Almodovar?

Not for nothing, guys, but the way she jogged in the Oaks, I can't imagine she wouldn't be ready to come back for the Preakness.

This could be the single greatest mistake ever made by an owner, running back in 14 days off such a huge effort, even 5 weeks is a bit much. She might romp but this romp might cost her 3-4 starts in the future, unless the plan is no more after her 3 year old year

gales0678 · #25 05-07-2009, 09:58 AM

scav why wouldn't we see her next year?

Kasept · #26 05-07-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide

i'd rather seen calvin stay on MTB. it's a better story, anyone can win on RA.

That's not necessarily true. She's a run-off type in the morning with her exercise rider and fights him constantly. But she completely melts when Borel gets aboard and will do what he asks. Even with him last Monday for the work, when she had to wait a half hour, she was anxious to go and he couldn't stop her from those super sharp fractions and 1:10/1:23 gallop out. Putting a new rider on her would be risky, especially in light of the anticipated pace company she will have in Baltimore.

Sightseek · #27 05-07-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

This could be the single greatest mistake ever made by an owner, running back in 14 days off such a huge effort, even 5 weeks is a bit much. She might romp but this romp might cost her 3-4 starts in the future, unless the plan is no more after her 3 year old year

Ok, so explain to me how horses used to be able to run huge races with only a week or in some cases a few days in between?

Scav · #28 05-07-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678

scav why wouldn't we see her next year?

Because horses that run huge efforts tend not to last. Look at IWR, he has a 8pt top, regressed 2 pts and is now pretty much has 3 hooves in the breeding shed....His type of injury is from RACING or over extension, which comes from huge huge efforts

I am not sure what the IWR connections could have done differently, maybe skip the Wood and take the 8 weeks or whatever it was, but that would have been majorly risky from a value and stud career perspective.

RA has won her race this year, why not give her 6-8 weeks to get over the effort and make a plan for her to get the BC.

Kasept · #29 05-07-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

You and West told the worlds this yesterday...

Well.. we were speculating based on ther situation at the moment and anticipating the decisions of the parties involved. This more definitive report came through witnesses to the conversation about the commitment and a 'non-confirmation' confirmation from Borel agent Jerry Hissam who said it needs to be officially announced by the trainer or owner.

Sightseek · #30 05-07-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Because horses that run huge efforts tend not to last. Look at IWR, he has a 8pt top, regressed 2 pts and is now pretty much has 3 hooves in the breeding shed....His type of injury is from RACING or over extension, which comes from huge huge efforts

I am not sure what the IWR connections could have done differently, maybe skip the Wood and take the 8 weeks or whatever it was, but that would have been majorly risky from a value and stud career perspective.

RA has won her race this year, why not give her 6-8 weeks to get over the effort and make a plan for her to get the BC.

This is such a bunch of b.s. and why we have paper tiger Champions.

Suffolk Shippers · #31 05-07-2009, 10:07 AM

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I am happy for Borel getting the RA mount. Do we know that Assmussen is definitely training her? If he is it is a good move for Calvin - increases his book. Maybe he could ride more for Assmussen (assuming he would want to). I feel bad for the Mine that Bird connections losing Borel, especially when they specifically sought him out.

I am overall disgusted with the sale to Jackson - I understand why, hey if someone offered me a boat load of cash, I'd check out, too, but to Jackson? It really does put a pall over her....

Puts more of a pall on the back story of the horse, not really the horse itself, she doesn't know any better. But, I understand where you're coming from, it makes harder to root for the horse because the connections (for the most part) suck at life.

Things got mighty interesting in the racing world the last 48 hrs.

gales0678 · #32 05-07-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

This is such a bunch of b.s. and why we have paper tiger Champions.

did the same connections give us what we wanted with Curlin ? he ran as a 4yr old , why wouldn't they run her at 4?

Antitrust32 · #33 05-07-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

This is such a bunch of b.s. and why we have paper tiger Champions.

Scav · #34 05-07-2009, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

This is such a bunch of b.s. and why we have paper tiger Champions.

No it isn't but I am not going to get into the statistics, maybe 1 out of 20 go against the data that shows huge jump up efforts hurt horses, especially YOUNG ones < 4 years of age

gales0678 · #35 05-07-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

Ok, so explain to me how horses used to be able to run huge races with only a week or in some cases a few days in between?

they still can , but the $ involved in the breedding games discourages this

back then i assume purse $ was more important for some of these owners

there s/b no reason why trainers can't get today's horses to run as much as horses from the past you are right

slotdirt · #36 05-07-2009, 10:12 AM

Was that a huge jump up effort or was the competition in that race that weak considering the scratches? I'm just saying, the horse was barely blowing after the race; I don't see why she couldn't run again against better competition off two weeks and a day rest.

freddymo · #37 05-07-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Well.. we were speculating based on ther situation at the moment and anticipating the decisions of the parties involved. This more definitive report came through witnesses to the conversation about the commitment and a 'non-confirmation' confirmation from Borel agent Jerry Hissam who said it needs to be officially announced by the trainer or owner.

There was never a shot he wasn't going to ride her and you knew it and wisely advised the listeners. Borel knows which horse is better...One is a Ferrari the other is Camaro.. As for Borel's horse whisper ways with Rachel, you may want to take that with a small grain of salt, I am sure any top flight jock would be fine and I am sure he loves riding her who wouldn't..

Sightseek · #38 05-07-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678

they still can , but the $ involved in the breedding games discourages this

back then i assume purse $ was more important for some of these owners

there s/b no reason why trainers can't get today's horses to run as much as horses from the past you are right

The purse money was crap.

It was about sport and good horsemanship...not statistics and money.

GenuineRisk · #39 05-07-2009, 10:17 AM

What??? They're running RA in the Preakness? Do they not understand that these races are showcases for the stallions of tomorrow? That colts should stay with colts and fillies with fillies and never the twain shall meet because it's just unnatural and offensive to the fillies' delicate sensibilities, letting them get bumped around by a bunch of big colty colt males?? You might as well just dress them in a miniskirt and high heels and stick them in a dark alley. (Though not with Mine That Bird; he can't take advantage of the situation and therefore should be scratched anyway.)

Harumph. Next thing you know they're going to let women vote and then you'll really see things go to hell in a handbasket. And you kids, get off my lawn.

gales0678 · #40 05-07-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

The purse money was crap.

It was about sport and good horsemanship...not statistics and money.

i was guessing at the purse money , but , today with the breeding business these owners want to get some of these great horses off the track and into the shed as quick as possible to start the cash register going

but it's pure non-sense to think horse of today can't run as many times in a year as horses from the old days