Borel off Bird for Rachel in Preakness - Page 4

Port Conway Lane · #61 05-07-2009, 11:01 AM

I vote Talamo

freddymo · #62 05-07-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Forget the Preakness and the Belmont, why not have her ready for the Travers? I have no idea on this but how many times has a filly even tried the Travers, let alone won it, it can't be very many...

Now that would be historic (Given I am right about fillies not contesting the Travers)

http://www.nyra.com/Saratoga/Stakes/Travers.shtml

Link is a historic view of the Travers, are there any fillies on there?

Are you a franchisee in Carolina BBQ? You pushing for a big gate for the boss man.

Scav · #63 05-07-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Are you a franchisee in Carolina BBQ? You pushing for a big gate for the boss man.

While I am serious, anything to help the boss man is a ok also

SniperSB23 · #64 05-07-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Because horses that run huge efforts tend not to last. Look at IWR, he has a 8pt top, regressed 2 pts and is now pretty much has 3 hooves in the breeding shed....His type of injury is from RACING or over extension, which comes from huge huge efforts

That 8 pt top was in switching surfaces so is irrelevant. There is no way to know if the horse was exerting himself anymore running 8 pts faster on the dirt than he was spinning his wheels on the Pro-Ride. Had he jumped to an 8 point top on the same surface then it would be significant. Either way, there is no way you skip getting the Wood on your stallion resume (no pun intended).

Travis Stone · #65 05-07-2009, 11:13 AM

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Hey, Yadda Yadda - what is the benefit of running her on two weeks rest after that effort. I agree take on the boys, but why not wait for a tired bunch of colts in the Belmont?

In last year's Belmont Stakes, three horses were exiting the Preakness, while three others were exciting the Derby. The Derby horses outperformed the Preakness horses. The tired horses / Belmont angle is overplayed in my opinion.

We know Rachel Alexandra can handle 9 furlongs no problem, and judging by the way she finished, 9.5f should be no issue either. Her 108 Beyer in the Oaks is more than 10 points better than the runner-ups in the Derby. She didn't have a grueling race, the colts are weak, the purse is $1 million, it's a grade one, it's an American classic... it's a go in my opinion. If she flops, you can re-group for the fillies in the Acorn.

Furthermore, there are still some ?'s about who could re-surface in the Belmont which could make it a more difficult race than the Preakness.

freddymo · #66 05-07-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

While I am serious, anything to help the boss man is a ok also

I have a feeling it's one and done with the boys..Unless she is the best filly ever?

slotdirt · #67 05-07-2009, 11:16 AM

Vomit is official - Rachel has been transfered to the Assman. Shame on you, Jess Jackson.

#68 05-07-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

In last year's Belmont Stakes, three horses were exiting the Preakness, while three others were exciting the Derby. The Derby horses outperformed the Preakness horses. The tired horses / Belmont angle is overplayed in my opinion.

We know Rachel Alexandra can handle 9 furlongs no problem, and judging by the way she finished, 9.5f should be no issue either. Her 108 Beyer in the Oaks is more than 10 points better than the runner-ups in the Derby. She didn't have a grueling race, the colts are weak, the purse is $1 million, it's a grade one, it's an American classic... it's a go in my opinion. If she flops, you can re-group for the fillies in the Acorn.

Furthermore, there are still some ?'s about who could re-surface in the Belmont which could make it a more difficult race than the Preakness.

Who? Quality Road? I doubt Jerkens would enter him off the injury and long break.

philcski · #69 05-07-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Who? Quality Road? I doubt Jerkens would enter him off the injury and long break.

I think there's a chance we see him on Belmont Day.

In the Woody Stephens.

12F off the injury would probably be too much to ask, even for the best 3YO in America.

-BT- · #70 05-07-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dagolfer33

J D ACOSTA he does great at CT

if this was at 4.5f he would be my top choice, hands down

-bt-

Antitrust32 · #71 05-07-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski

I think there's a chance we see him on Belmont Day.

In the Woody Stephens.

12F off the injury would probably be too much to ask, even for the best 3YO in America.

Rachel Alexandra??

SniperSB23 · #72 05-07-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Rachel Alexandra??

She's with the Assman now so Phil will refuse to acknowledge that she had any talent prior to going to him and will blame everything on the Assman juicing her.

philcski · #73 05-07-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Rachel Alexandra??

Ok... 3YO Colt.

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

She's with the Assman now so Phil will refuse to acknowledge that she had any talent prior to going to him and will blame everything on the Assman juicing her.

Been on her train since last fall. Assman can't move this one up.

Travis Stone · #74 05-07-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Who? Quality Road? I doubt Jerkens would enter him off the injury and long break.

This was a minor point in my whole argument but yeah, though unlikely, QR... and don't laugh at me, but if Dunkirk heals-up (he stumbled really bad coming out of the gate) because like him or not, he ran one of the best preps this spring, Friesan Fire if he waits and heals-up. Regardless, the Preakness field is nothing to be scared about.

CSC · #75 05-07-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

I vote Talamo

For MTB? I would go with Ramon Dominguez but I have no idea who Wooley will pick or who he has been associated with in his past. Ramon mostly because I see some similarities between MTB and Better Talk Now.

Travis Stone · #76 05-07-2009, 11:25 AM

I think the bottom line to all this is Jess Jackson and co. did not spend $10 million to sit on her and watch her train.

#77 05-07-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

This was a minor point in my whole argument but yeah, though unlikely, QR... and don't laugh at me, but if Dunkirk heals-up (he stumbled really bad coming out of the gate) because like him or not, he ran one of the best preps this spring, Friesan Fire if he waits and heals-up. Regardless, the Preakness field is nothing to be scared about.

I can't help but laugh at Dunkirk. He's a p.ussy and always has an excuse.

Friesan Fire...don't think he goes.

Rootdog1 · #78 05-07-2009, 11:31 AM

come on...2 weeks rest....I agree with your point, but you are being extreme, and your comments on the Belmont are taking it a little far.

CSC · #79 05-07-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I can't help but laugh at Dunkirk. He's a p.ussy and always has an excuse.

Friesan Fire...don't think he goes.

Right now the great 'Bandini'...

looks like Secretariat compared to Dunkirk.

Travis Stone · #80 05-07-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC

Right now the great 'Bandini'...

looks like Secretariat compared to Dunkirk.

Ha, this is true. But I don't think you can totally discount the horse off one bad performance in the Derby, the same race which about 17 other horses clunked their way around the track.