Belmont Stakes Field

[South Beach Luv]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Can someone tell me again, how do you put a poster on the iggy list??



Seriously!!!

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/pro...t=ignore&u=735

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Kasept

The Derby wasn't too big a jump for Summer Bird...

Steve, this opinion was nagging away at me last night and I am curious if you would like to expand your thoughts on this.

Summer Bird to me made a rapid progression(beyer and competition wise) from his Mdn win to ARK derby in a very short time, I thought he had every reason to regress in the Derby. The Derby was a big race for him given he ran well despite not being on the best part of the track. I would expect his next race to be his best given he is still lightly raced, and one angle I love is the the Derby to Belmont angle, skipping the Preak. All in all he is a horse with talent, couple that with his stamina pedigree. He is very interesting, I just hope he doesn't become the buzz horse next week, thus RA's projected entry will most certainly be important to value bettors.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by CSC

Summer Bird to me made a rapid progression(beyer and competition wise) from his Mdn win to ARK derby in a very short time, I thought he had every reason to regress in the Derby. The Derby was a big race for him given he ran well despite not being on the best part of the track. I would expect his next race to be his best given he is still lightly raced, and one angle I love is the the Derby to Belmont angle, skipping the Preak. All in all he is a horse with talent, couple that with his stamina pedigree. He is very interesting, I just hope he doesn't become the buzz horse next week, thus RA's projected entry will most certainly be important to value bettors.

I'm trying to understand why this horse interests you so much. That he gained into a race that accelerated the last 1/8th, the ARK Derby, is, at first glance, noteworthy. Yet, I'm not so sure that he didn't get the best of it that day in terms of dynamics. And, he basically ran evenly in the Derby. He never made a more and did nothing more than pass faders, horses that had run earlier.

I can understand why Mine That Bird might not be a solid alternative for some. While he made a ridiculous move in the Derby, he did it on the best part of the track, and while saving ground; and he got the best of it in terms of setup in the Preakness. So I can understand if some still question his ability. But, there's certainly no questioning that he's run better than Summer Bird. I'm not saying that MTB is my choice, as I have to see who ultimately runs.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm trying to understand why this horse interests you so much. That he gained into a race that accelerated the last 1/8th, the ARK Derby, is, at first glance, noteworthy. Yet, I'm not so sure that he didn't get the best of it that day in terms of dynamics. And, he basically ran evenly in the Derby. He never made a more and did nothing more than pass faders, horses that had run earlier.

I can understand why Mine That Bird might not be a solid alternative for some. While he made a ridiculous move in the Derby, he did it on the best part of the track, and while saving ground; and he got the best of it in terms of setup in the Preakness. So I can understand if some still question his ability. But, there's certainly no questioning that he's run better than Summer Bird. I'm not saying that MTB is my choice, as I have to see who ultimately runs.

The simple answer would be I believe we have yet to see the best from Summer Bird, whereas we have with some of the others and that is the time to bet a horse, if he was a 100% proven commodity at this point he would be of very little interest to me as a betting prospect. We all have taken a liking to a horse at one time or another, these are the calls that make horseracing fascinating and possibly rewarding. There's no point in anyone saying The horse that Borel will ride is the Belmont winner...it's so ho hum...

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by CSC

The simple answer would be I believe we have yet to see the best from Summer Bird, whereas we have with some of the others and that is the time to bet a horse, if he was a 100% proven commodity at this point he would be of very little interest to me as a betting prospect. We all have taken a liking to a horse at one time or another, these are the calls that make horseracing fascinating and possibly rewarding. There's no point in anyone saying The horse that Borel will ride is the Belmont winner...it's so ho hum...

I'm certainly not advocating taking the ho hum approach. And, my reasons for being in the game are strictly for the challenge. Any sporting aspect went out the window when I stopped going to the track. As such, it becomes more about making money. If there's a good betting opportunity in the Belmont, I'll be in it. If not, I'll pass, the way I passed the Derby. Unfortunately, I don't have the luxury of betting on horses I've taken a liking to: got that ROI to think about.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm certainly not advocating taking the ho hum approach. And, my reasons for being in the game are strictly for the challenge. Any sporting aspect went out the window when I stopped going to the track. As such, it becomes more about making money. If there's a good betting opportunity in the Belmont, I'll be in it. If not, I'll pass, the way I passed the Derby. Unfortunately, I don't have the luxury of betting on horses I've taken a liking to: got that ROI to think about.

Perhaps 'liking' was not the right word, let's use the word 'potential'. I think we are all playing the game to make money.

[Sightseek]

I have to say this is a very kind gesture...

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ksons-decision

“I’m gonna give Calvin (Borel) as much time as possible to ride “Mine” and also to keep him from losing two mounts. It just wouldn’t fair to him if they don’t make a decision until the last minute and decide not to go. He won me the Kentucky Derby and I owe him the opportunity if it’s possible. I don’t want to see him sitting on the sidelines when I get to Belmont.”

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I have to say this is a very kind gesture...

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ksons-decision

“I’m gonna give Calvin (Borel) as much time as possible to ride “Mine” and also to keep him from losing two mounts. It just wouldn’t fair to him if they don’t make a decision until the last minute and decide not to go. He won me the Kentucky Derby and I owe him the opportunity if it’s possible. I don’t want to see him sitting on the sidelines when I get to Belmont.”

it is very kind. he certainly is aware that he'll have his choice of jocks if/when he has to name a rider.

[HaloWishingwell]

Why do I feel Borel will commit to MINE THAT BIRD only to see RACHEL ALEXANDRA entered at the last moment in order to get ALBARADO on her.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by CSC

Perhaps 'liking' was not the right word, let's use the word 'potential'. I think we are all playing the game to make money.

my father likes Summer Bird a little. After watching the derby blimp replay, he thinks Rosier saw Borel and started his drive. He likes that Summer Bird showed a mild response while wide on the end of the turn.

I'm not too crazy about Summer Bird.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

Why do I feel Borel will commit to MINE THAT BIRD only to see RACHEL ALEXANDRA entered at the last moment in order to get ALBARADO on her.

if jackson really wanted albarado, he would've named him already. why does everything have to have a conspiracy attached?

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Danzig

if jackson really wanted albarado, he would've named him already. why does everything have to have a conspiracy attached?

Cause it makes things much more interesting...kinda like fighting before $#%

[Smooth Operator]

They're not gunna run the filly. They'd be insane to bring her right back ... in a 12f contest, no less.

Pletch cherry-picked the event with Roids to Riches. She was well rested … and probly all hopped up on 'roids, to boot.

Granted, RA was superb at Pim, but they were gaining on her at the end. 9.5f is probly her limit against the colts. In fact, 9 panels is likely her best distance ... just like it was for her dad.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

They're not gunna run the filly. They'd be insane to bring her right back ... in a 12f contest, no less.

Pletch cherry-picked the event with Roids to Riches. She was well rested … and probly all hopped up on 'roids, to boot.

Granted, RA was superb at Pim, but they were gaining on her at the end. 9.5f is probly her limit against the colts. In fact, 9 panels is likely her best distance ... just like it was for her dad.

Eeew go away

[Smooth Operator]

Yo, hockey...
































I'm back.

[letswastemoney]

I think Calvin Borel is destined to win the jockey Triple Crown....everything is going right for him.

And MTB to me is the better Birdstone. His regression should be about as good as Summer Bird's best race.

[Danzig]

mine that bird got a shout out tonight after the detroit/pittsburgh game.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

I'm not too crazy about Summer Bird.

I hope this is the majority in that opinion. I see no reason to retrack now after his final major work Sat, I love his chances.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by CSC

I hope this is the majority in that opinion. I see no reason to retrack now after his final major work Sat, I love his chances.

They are adding blinkers for the Belmont.

[Kasept]

Field virtually set now for Belmont... Nowhere to Hide won't run.


1. Brave Victory
Nick Zito
Rajiv Maragh
Robert V. LaPenta

2. Charitable Man
Kiaran McLaughlin
Alan Garcia
Mr. & Mrs. William K. Warren Jr.

3. Chocolate Candy
Jerry Hollendorfer
Garrett Gomez
Craig Family Trust

4. Dunkirk
Todd Pletcher
John Velazquez
Mrs. John Magnier, Michael Tabor, & Derrick Smith

5. Flying Private
D. Wayne Lukas
Julien Leparoux
Robert C. Baker & William L. Mack

6. Luv Gov
D.Wayne Lukas
Miguel Mena
Marylou Whitney Stables

7. Miner’s Escape
Nick Zito
Jose Lezcano
Robert V. LaPenta

8. Mine That Bird
Chip Woolley
Calvin Borel
Double Eagle Ranch & Buena Suerte Equine

9. Mr. Hot Stuff
Eoin Harty
Edgar Prado
WinStar Farm LLC

10. Summer Bird
Tim Ice
Kent Desormeaux
Kalarikkal & Vilasini Jayaraman