Imus fired why not Letterman

[Rupert Pupkin]

I think this whole thing was much ado about nothing. I think Palin is happy to put the focus on Letterman and take the focus off what a lousy job she did of raising her daughter (the one who got pregnant at 17).

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think this whole thing was much ado about nothing. I think Palin is happy to put the focus on Letterman and take the focus off what a lousy job she did of raising her daughter (the one who got pregnant at 17).

I dont know... most high schoolers are having sex at 17. I was.. everyone I knew was... and it just got worse with kids younger than me as they got older. there is a big problem and MIDDLE school with kids having sex. Its not like all these parents did a lousy job raising their kids. Shoot, 17 year olds dont listen to there parents anyway!! You just have to hope they are making the right decisions and its important to talk about birth control cause no matter what you want to happen... sex is going to happen.

That could have been Palins problem... preaching abstinence is NEVER going to be the answer, cause kids could care less about that. Teaching safe sex and the dangers of unsafe sex is a MUCH better option...

But I have a hard time blaming Palin or calling her a bad parent because her 17 year old had sex. If that was the case there would be a very small amount of good parents out there.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont know... most high schoolers are having sex at 17. I was.. everyone I knew was... and it just got worse with kids younger than me as they got older. there is a big problem and MIDDLE school with kids having sex. Its not like all these parents did a lousy job raising their kids. Shoot, 17 year olds dont listen to there parents anyway!! You just have to hope they are making the right decisions and its important to talk about birth control cause no matter what you want to happen... sex is going to happen.

That could have been Palins problem... preaching abstinence is NEVER going to be the answer, cause kids could care less about that. Teaching safe sex and the dangers of unsafe sex is a MUCH better option...

But I have a hard time blaming Palin or calling her a bad parent because her 17 year old had sex. If that was the case there would be a very small amount of good parents out there.

I agree with you but I have to hold Palin to a higher standard since she is preaching family values and running as a born-again Christian. I think if someone is a serious Christian, they have failed greatly as a parent if their 17 year old daughter gets pregnant.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm old fashioned in the sense that you if you choose to have a family, that family should come first. palin could run for gov, seek higher office, after her kids were older. i've worked since my kids were little, but they never spent time in day care or with a nanny-and i was home every night. the lack of parenting these days imo is the #1 reason for the huge spikes in teen pregnancy.
wonderful-she's running the state, who's running the house? and yes, sometimes kids still run into trouble regardless of a parents' best efforts-but having a mother on the run for months at a time while running for vp, and thrusting young kids into the limelight and dog eat dog world of politics can't possibly be in the best interests of those kids.

LOL your funny , my mom got preggo at 17 in the early 60's , her mom didnt work , she never spent a day at the babysitter or anywhere else , went to church every Sunday , was an A student and somehow and I dont know how managed to get knocked up. Boys and girls will do what they want when they are out of your sight , I think its most likely you never did anything that your parents didnt like when they werent around , you little angel you .

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I agree with you but I have to hold Palin to a higher standard since she is preaching family values and running as a born-again Christian. I think if someone is a serious Christian, they have failed greatly as a parent if their 17 year old daughter gets pregnant.

That is bullpucky and you know it , do you run around with blinkers on all day ????? Ah you must have been a virgin till you were what 25??? LOL You know Im just teasing you but come on dude everyone knows that preachers kids are the worst offenders of all , so lets not point fingers at what kids will do. Is not the agenda of almost every boy between the ages of 12 and 1000 to get laid? How do you think they get it done ???

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

So you choose the negative spin.....no problem!

depends on how you're looking at it. i don't think i'm being negative, i think i'm correct about how this was handled vs how the rest of the jokes were ignored.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Honu

LOL your funny , my mom got preggo at 17 in the early 60's , her mom didnt work , she never spent a day at the babysitter or anywhere else , went to church every Sunday , was an A student and somehow and I dont know how managed to get knocked up. Boys and girls will do what they want when they are out of your sight , I think its most likely you never did anything that your parents didnt like when they werent around , you little angel you .

i LOVE when people give an example of one who doesn't fit a scenario as being proof that the scenario as a whole is incorrect.

as for the four of us kids, none of us got knocked up, had kids out of wedlock, etc. weren't angels by any means...


my kids aren't angels either-and i've got two out and one to go. no kiddies running around as yet.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont know... most high schoolers are having sex at 17. I was.. everyone I knew was... and it just got worse with kids younger than me as they got older. there is a big problem and MIDDLE school with kids having sex. Its not like all these parents did a lousy job raising their kids. Shoot, 17 year olds dont listen to there parents anyway!! You just have to hope they are making the right decisions and its important to talk about birth control cause no matter what you want to happen... sex is going to happen.

That could have been Palins problem... preaching abstinence is NEVER going to be the answer, cause kids could care less about that. Teaching safe sex and the dangers of unsafe sex is a MUCH better option...

But I have a hard time blaming Palin or calling her a bad parent because her 17 year old had sex. If that was the case there would be a very small amount of good parents out there.

I should say that I partially agree with you. I agree with you that tons of 17 year old girls are having sex. But I disagree that we have to accept this as something that is inevitable that can't be prevented. I think that if you teach your kids about the dangers of sex from the time they are very young and you absolutely stress the importance of abstinence, I think it is quite realistic to expect your kids to stay abstinent (at least while they are living in your house). Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying this is easy. I think this needs to be something that you constantly drum into your kids' heads from the time they are very young. If this is something that is important to you as a parent, then you need to make it a priority. It is something you would need to constantly talk to your kids about from the time they are very young.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i LOVE when people give an example of one who doesn't fit a scenario as being proof that the scenario as a whole is incorrect.

as for the four of us kids, none of us got knocked up, had kids out of wedlock, etc. weren't angels by any means...


my kids aren't angels either-and i've got two out and one to go. no kiddies running around as yet.

thats not really a bad thing and some of us have no other option!

[Scav]

How I have missed this thread?

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I should say that I partially agree with you. I agree with you that tons of 17 year old girls are having sex. But I disagree that we have to accept this as something that is inevitable that can't be prevented. I think that if you teach your kids about the dangers of sex from the time they are very young and you absolutely stress the importance of abstinence, I think it is quite realistic to exepct your kids to stay abstinent (at least while they are living in your house). Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying this is easy. I think this needs to be something that you constantly drum into your kid's heads from the time they are very young. If this is something that is important to you as a parent, then you need to make it a priority. It is something you would need to constantly talk to your kids about from the time they are very young.

KGB has started already

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont know... most high schoolers are having sex at 17. I was.. everyone I knew was... and it just got worse with kids younger than me as they got older. there is a big problem and MIDDLE school with kids having sex. Its not like all these parents did a lousy job raising their kids. Shoot, 17 year olds dont listen to there parents anyway!! You just have to hope they are making the right decisions and its important to talk about birth control cause no matter what you want to happen... sex is going to happen.

That could have been Palins problem... preaching abstinence is NEVER going to be the answer, cause kids could care less about that. Teaching safe sex and the dangers of unsafe sex is a MUCH better option...
But I have a hard time blaming Palin or calling her a bad parent because her 17 year old had sex. If that was the case there would be a very small amount of good parents out there.

Yep and Yep

It doesn't help much that clothing manufacturers have basically unleashed sex on every female. What I would give for 17 year old girls to look the way they look now when I was 17

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Honu

That is bullpucky and you know it , do you run around with blinkers on all day ????? Ah you must have been a virgin till you were what 25??? LOL You know Im just teasing you but come on dude everyone knows that preachers kids are the worst offenders of all , so lets not point fingers at what kids will do. Is not the agenda of almost every boy between the ages of 12 and 1000 to get laid? How do you think they get it done ???

I wasn't brought up as a Christian. I was not taught abstinence. But I'll tell you something that was drummed into my head from the time I was a little kid. The dangers of drugs and cigarettes were drummed into my head from the time I was 5 years old. And you know what, it worked. There was never any danger of me getting into drugs or cigarettes because it had been drummed into my head at a very early age that drugs and cigarettes were very dangerous.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I should say that I partially agree with you. I agree with you that tons of 17 year old girls are having sex. But I disagree that we have to accept this as something that is inevitable that can't be prevented. I think that if you teach your kids about the dangers of sex from the time they are very young and you absolutely stress the importance of abstinence, I think it is quite realistic to expect your kids to stay abstinent (at least while they are living in your house). Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying this is easy. I think this needs to be something that you constantly drum into your kids' heads from the time they are very young. If this is something that is important to you as a parent, then you need to make it a priority. It is something you would need to constantly talk to your kids about from the time they are very young.

Really in this day of age, you can do this with your daughter and then the time comes when she's 17, has a huge crush on a cute boy... He likes her too and says "I really love you".... and she knows all her friends are doing it so it doesnt seem as much of a big deal, and she feels "left out" in a strange way (that feeling does happen to teenage girls who are restraining). But the guy loves her so its okay! 10 years of preaching abstinence down the drain...

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Scav

Yep and Yep

It doesn't help much that clothing manufacturers have basically unleashed sex on every female. What I would give for 17 year old girls to look the way they look now when I was 17

Very true.. if I ever have a daughter she's locked up in her cell.. I mean room with bars on the windows.. she can do college on the internet at home...

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Very true.. if I ever have a daughter she's locked up in her cell.. I mean room with bars on the windows.. she can do college on the internet at home...

I am not complaining, but it could get an adult in a little trouble

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm with bob on that as well, i don't think imus should have been fired.

imus should NOT have been fired. the difference a WHITE man said nappy head hoes about BLACK women and a white man made fun of a white knocked-up 18 y/o....... BIG diffenece.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

thats not really a bad thing and some of us have no other option!

i don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, and i understand about no other option. what i should have written is having kids 'without a commitment'. the children should always be FIRST when the decision is made to have them. too often people only think of themselves when they say they want a child-they don't think about what's best for the child they are bringing into the world.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Very true.. if I ever have a daughter she's locked up in her cell.. I mean room with bars on the windows.. she can do college on the internet at home...

so glad i only had one daughter. but i told my kids all the dangers of unprotected sex, and all the responsibilities and consequences they would have to deal with if they engaged in it. i think too many parents just say 'don't do it'-admirable, but short sighted. why shouldn't they do it? just saying you'll catch something or you could get pregnant isn't enough. besides, what kid doesn't think they aren't bullet proof? pregnancy is temporary, that kid is permanent. i told them that i'm sure their future (hopefully far away) offspring would rather be raised by an employed adult, not a still immature teen.
i told the two boys that girls are sneaky and conniving, and are to be avoided-but i said the same to my daughter about guys. whether it worked or not i can't say for absolute certainty-but i'm not a grandma either...

the best thing i think that happened to my youngest is his best friend and g/f got pregnant. he's seeing first hand what is going on with that kid-he doesn't like it, and sees that-gasp-mom was right about it being a life changing event.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it was ridiculous and probably backfired, with letterman getting higher ratings because of it.
besides, didn't palin attend a rally where people started shouting threats of violence, and she just smirked? and now she takes a joke and tries to twist it for political points-she's the one linking this joke with the 14 year old, letterman meant it for the over 18 baby mama.

She's nothing if not an opportunist.

Can't wait for 2012.