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Old 08-17-2009, 12:14 PM
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Default Throat surgery for Mine That Bird

Entrapped epiglotis.. Surgery this a.m.

Travers still possible.
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Old 08-17-2009, 12:17 PM
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How common is this? I assume if they think he's still got a shot for the Travers it can't be real serious.
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Old 08-17-2009, 02:00 PM
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How common is this? I assume if they think he's still got a shot for the Travers it can't be real serious.
Holy Bull did it between the Hutchinson (think thats it) and the Florida Derby.
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Old 08-17-2009, 02:14 PM
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More important than the Travers, though: Will he still be leading the post parade for the All-American Futurity?
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Old 08-17-2009, 03:39 PM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/sp...cing.html?_r=2
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Old 08-17-2009, 04:04 PM
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They're also nominating for the Pennsylvania Derby, an longshot possibility for Rachel Alexandra. It's a G2 but worth $1 mil. Bloodhorse calls PA Derby a G1 instead of a G2 for some reason. Someone might've made an assumption based on the purse.

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Old 08-17-2009, 04:51 PM
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Nothing but bad news here. First Arroyo , now this. If he runs his odds should be a little better, but can you trust him? Maybe I should get this surgery. My old lady says I snore pretty bad. It is minor! If he wins the Travers I may look into it! Do people have an epiglottis?
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Old 08-17-2009, 04:57 PM
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Nothing but bad news here. First Arroyo , now this. If he runs his odds should be a little better, but can you trust him? Maybe I should get this surgery. My old lady says I snore pretty bad. It is minor! If he wins the Travers I may look into it! Do people have an epiglottis?
Yup, it stops water and food from going straight into your lungs.
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Old 08-17-2009, 07:03 PM
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alysheba did it a couple of weeks before the blue grass and then was a different horse.....van berg thought the horse was looking for air and he was right.
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Old 08-17-2009, 07:05 PM
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Is this the same thing that happened to Afleet Alex? Didnt he run a real clunker in a race before the Arkansas Derby and the trainer say he needed some sort of operation for his breathing?
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Old 08-17-2009, 07:12 PM
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Is this the same thing that happened to Afleet Alex? Didnt he run a real clunker in a race before the Arkansas Derby and the trainer say he needed some sort of operation for his breathing?
.....i think he was found to be running a high fever?
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Old 08-17-2009, 07:38 PM
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Is this the same thing that happened to Afleet Alex? Didnt he run a real clunker in a race before the Arkansas Derby and the trainer say he needed some sort of operation for his breathing?
AA had a lung infection that didn't surface until after the race (Rebel). He was checked out before the race and was fine. It really left Ritchey confused, but that was the outcome.
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Old 08-17-2009, 11:36 PM
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AA had a lung infection that didn't surface until after the race (Rebel). He was checked out before the race and was fine. It really left Ritchey confused, but that was the outcome.
It would be very helpful to know how much "surgery" was really done here on MTB.

If all he had was a single stroke of a blade to release a band of fibrous tissue that was partially blocking the proximal trachea he'll be fine, but if there is significant swelling (normal occurence post op) following a dissection of any kind to free that glottis, then MTB may have a ventlatory limitation which would limit his performance. Somebody like Alday or Steve's other regular vet can probably clear this up when their segment on ATR is on this week. There really is no way to be sure til you know about the complexity of the surgery...
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Old 08-18-2009, 12:43 PM
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alysheba did it a couple of weeks before the blue grass and then was a different horse.....van berg thought the horse was looking for air and he was right.
you are right on. its no big deal. horses race within two weeks and many times this procedure moves them up because they get more air.
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Old 08-18-2009, 03:14 PM
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I have not been thrilled with the recent works (and their corresponding gallop outs) of either Birds
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Old 08-18-2009, 03:24 PM
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It would be very helpful to know how much "surgery" was really done here on MTB.

If all he had was a single stroke of a blade to release a band of fibrous tissue that was partially blocking the proximal trachea he'll be fine, but if there is significant swelling (normal occurence post op) following a dissection of any kind to free that glottis, then MTB may have a ventlatory limitation which would limit his performance. Somebody like Alday or Steve's other regular vet can probably clear this up when their segment on ATR is on this week. There really is no way to be sure til you know about the complexity of the surgery...
Most horses it's a pretty easy thing, heals well and quickly, back to work, much the better for it.

http://www.ctba.com/99magazine/sep99/sept4.htm
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Old 08-18-2009, 03:43 PM
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Mine That Bird okay after surgery

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"Went excellent, we got it done," Woolley said around noon Tuesday. "Went back in, scoped the horse - it looked really, really good. If you looked in there you'd never know he was entrapped before. It's real clean. He went to eating, and acting normal as can be. I'm real happy."

Asked about the chances of making it to the Travers, Woolley said, "We're absolutely hopeful. The horse looks good, we're aimed that way."
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Old 08-18-2009, 03:44 PM
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I have not been thrilled with the recent works (and their corresponding gallop outs) of either Birds
.....just too many "bird" horses right now.....
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Old 08-18-2009, 03:44 PM
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Most horses it's a pretty easy thing, heals well and quickly, back to work, much the better for it.

http://www.ctba.com/99magazine/sep99/sept4.htm
Looks almost exactly like a human does except it appears the bottom set of cords look under developed. It might be the drawing.....but maybe Mr Ed could speak....lol.
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Old 08-18-2009, 03:54 PM
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Didn't a stakes placed horse have this surgery last year about this time and go out in short order and win by several lengths? Or am I having a bald middle aged moment?
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