9/12 (BEL): Ruffian H., Garden City S. (G1's)

Gander · #1 09-09-2009, 03:47 PM

4TH (2:35) Ruffian H. (G1)

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Swift Temper Garcia Alan 118 L
2 Be Fair Gomez G K 112 L
3 Exotic Indy Velazquez J R 114 L
4 Seventh Street Maragh R 122 L
5 Luna Vega Bridgmohan S X 116 L
6 Skylighter Leparoux J R 116 L

8TH (4:43) Garden City S. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles (Inner turf) | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Gozzip Girl Desormeaux K J 122 L
2 Katara Castellano J J 116 L
3 Don't Forget Gil Leparoux J R 118 L
4 Miss World Gomez G K 116 L
5 Many Kisses Luzzi M J 116 L
6 Shared Account Dominguez R A 120 L
7 Pull Dancer Garcia Alan 116 L
8 Maram Lezcano J 118 L
9 Keertana Coa E M 118 L

ateamstupid · #2 09-09-2009, 03:51 PM

Over/under on how many poles Seventh Street wins by?

Gander · #3 09-09-2009, 04:15 PM

The Garden City is a nice race. So many of these are coming off very good performances in their last. Take a long look at Pull Dancer. She's really improving...perfect trip or not, she exploded last time. She may sneak away at a nice price with Gozzip Girl and Maram taking money for sure.

Nice way to begin what should be a fantastic meeting.

ateamstupid · #4 09-09-2009, 04:51 PM

If Gozzip Girl falls down, Pull Dancer is the one I'd look to also.

RockHardTen1985 · #5 09-09-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Over/under on how many poles Seventh Street wins by?

1.6?

ateamstupid · #6 09-09-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

1.6?

Eh, upon closer inspection, the race came up tougher than I thought. Swift Temper and Luna Vega can both give her fits.

The Indomitable DrugS · #7 09-09-2009, 05:11 PM

Even with the added weight of PG'85 .... Maragh will have a tougher time making it to Erie by 8 PM than winning that race.

RockHardTen1985 · #8 09-09-2009, 05:14 PM

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Even with the added weight of PG'85 .... Maragh will have a tougher time making it to Erie by 8 PM than winning that race.

I think it's 2 horse race, Swift Temper is decent.

RockHardTen1985 · #9 09-11-2009, 06:13 PM

Handicapping the 6-8 pick 3 now. I know this might sound crazy, but Im not sure the Gozzip Girl is much better then the 6,7 especially on a soft turf. Maram has some foot issues right now and might scratch, I need to hope she runs, because IMO she's simply not as good as the top 3 and will be the second choice. I might just end all my pick 3's with 6,7 and hope my read is correct.

NTamm1215 · #10 09-11-2009, 06:57 PM

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Handicapping the 6-8 pick 3 now. I know this might sound crazy, but Im not sure the Gozzip Girl is much better then the 6,7 especially on a soft turf. Maram has some foot issues right now and might scratch, I need to hope she runs, because IMO she's simply not as good as the top 3 and will be the second choice. I might just end all my pick 3's with 6,7 and hope my read is correct.

What makes you think they're as good as Gozzip Girl? Her lone effort on wet turf was very, very good considering she won with a trip that she had never had before.

She is so incredibly much better than any of the horses in here I think she might be one of the easiest winners of the meet.

NT

ateamstupid · #11 09-11-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

What makes you think they're as good as Gozzip Girl? Her lone effort on wet turf was very, very good considering she won with a trip that she had never had before.

She is so incredibly much better than any of the horses in here I think she might be one of the easiest winners of the meet.

NT

Agreed. Which is why I'm with him on hoping Maram runs. That might make GG 6-5 instead of 1-2. If you believe Brown though, she won't run.

RockHardTen1985 · #12 09-11-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

What makes you think they're as good as Gozzip Girl? Her lone effort on wet turf was very, very good considering she won with a trip that she had never had before.

She is so incredibly much better than any of the horses in here I think she might be one of the easiest winners of the meet.

NT

OK. Well you take her at 6-5, maybe lower. I play pick 3's, I will be happy to get live to my 2, both will be over 5-1 and both will have inflated pick 3 payouts because of the top 2.

If you take her American Oaks out, shes slightly better then these and anyone can improve and beat her. Matz filly was BEST in the American Oaks, if she wins then what? Im not sold on her, Im either right or wrong. Im going to trust my gut, and use the 6,7.... As long as Maram runs, I am assured value.

RockHardTen1985 · #13 09-11-2009, 07:34 PM

Miss World also might be ok. I might even use her instead of Shared Account.

Gander · #14 09-11-2009, 07:46 PM

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Miss World also might be ok. I might even use her instead of Shared Account.

Dude, she was life and death to win last time with an absolute perfect trip against much cheaper. Just how much do you think Clement can move up to compete with the top 3? Shes hung in races prior to finally winning last time. Shes the easiest throwout of the race.

RockHardTen1985 · #15 09-11-2009, 08:00 PM

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Dude, she was life and death to win last time with an absolute perfect trip against much cheaper. Just how much do you think Clement can move up to compete with the top 3? Shes hung in races prior to finally winning last time. Shes the easiest throwout of the race.

LOL...

Your boy Serling just called her the most likely to upset.
I think Clement can have her ready to compete.

Gander · #16 09-11-2009, 08:04 PM

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LOL...

Your boy Serling just called her the most likely to upset.
I think Clement can have her ready to compete.

Opinions, everybotti got em! Mine is shes way in over her head and the only horse who can beat Gozzip Girl is Pull Dancer, but I would like her a lot better on firm turf. To me, its a no play, but good luck with Miss World. You'll be getting paid if she wins and I'll eat crow.

Talk tomorrow about Sunday's card. Its more likely I'll play there.

RockHardTen1985 · #17 09-11-2009, 08:15 PM

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Opinions, everybotti got em! Mine is shes way in over her head and the only horse who can beat Gozzip Girl is Pull Dancer, but I would like her a lot better on firm turf. To me, its a no play, but good luck with Miss World. You'll be getting paid if she wins and I'll eat crow.

Talk tomorrow about Sunday's card. Its more likely I'll play there.

We can talk about Sundays card now, I plan on making 1,2 bets tomorrow.
Only races 6-8. A lean pick 3 2-2-3.... the middle leg I will lean heavily on the Violette. Then a spread.... 4-4-3.... I will end both of them with my 3, Miss World, Ramon and Garcia.

Sunday hmm....
Race 3- The 6 might be ok. Almost has to be a ok price with KM having one and Prado riding one that looks live.

Race 7- I think the 1 turns the cables. Straight Story has upside still and faced REAL runners last time. I would bet the 1 to win and box those 2, try getting Banrock out of the exacta

Race 8- The 1 entry is almost unbeatable. A better single then Gozzip tomorrow, IMO

Race 9- Im willing to give the 6 one more chance.

Travis Stone · #18 09-11-2009, 09:39 PM

I'm not sure I could take a super short price on Gozzip Girl. Even though she is the most likely winner it's not like the American Oaks is turning out to be a super key race (same could be said for the Sands Point).

I also think the pace situation is interesting as Ramon could easily send Shared Account and suddenly Gozzip Girl is stuck having to close/rate off a slow pace on a very wet surface.

Plus, Miss World and Pull Dancer are improving and if someone stubs a toe Keertana always runs her race.

RockHardTen1985 · #19 09-11-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I'm not sure I could take a super short price on Gozzip Girl. Even though she is the most likely winner it's not like the American Oaks is turning out to be a super key race (same could be said for the Sands Point).

I also think the pace situation is interesting as Ramon could easily send Shared Account and suddenly Gozzip Girl is stuck having to close/rate off a slow pace on a very wet surface.

Plus, Miss World and Pull Dancer are improving and if someone stubs a toe Keertana always runs her race.

I love you man. I needed some backup on this one.

the_fat_man · #20 09-11-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I also think the pace situation is interesting as Ramon could easily send Shared Account and suddenly Gozzip Girl is stuck having to close/rate off a slow pace on a very wet surface.

Plus, Miss World and Pull Dancer are improving and if someone stubs a toe Keertana always runs her race.

Why is Shared Account faster than Gozzip Girl? Especially with the latter breaking inside the former. I realize that Dominguez got it all his own way setting the most ridiculously slow paces on the turf up at SAR the entire meet but I'm thinking that Kent has an understanding of the situation and will probably not let anyone try to control with slow fractions; and will run a similar race strategically to the Sands Point. I realize GG got a very nice setup out in CALI but look what's in this race. This is field of allowance horses otherwise.

Edit: I really an editor.