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10-06-2009, 07:08 PM
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19 years later and we are having the same argument.
From your favorite rag no less Chuck. http://www.nytimes.com/1990/05/08/sp...-evidence.html
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10-06-2009, 07:30 PM
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Lasix is a false villain.
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10-06-2009, 07:34 PM
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Well Dr. Gorman thought it could be used to mask things back then. I'm sure two decades later he has changed his mind.
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Take a look at the pdf file of the April vet bill. Almost $1,500 , mostly for injections is cause for concern ? Or not ?
The link is within the NYT article itself. About 19 injections for just 3 weeks.
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From the top it looks he electrolytes/vitamins and fluids which is normal. Naquasone paste is used to reduce minor inflammation and was given in oral form. Liquamycin is an antibiotic. Panacur powerpack is a series of 5 dewormers. On 4/13 he was given what looks like a pre-work series of enzymes, Bute and Adequan which is a joint treatment that helps reduce the inflammation and pain of degenerative joint disease, but also to help stop the degenerative process while stimulating the production of new joint fluid and new cartilage components. Adequan would be given in the muscle in this case. On the 14th he was given Lasix before the work and scoped afterwards. He must have had some inflammation as they ultrasounded the right leg. he also got another shot of antibiotics. On the 15th he had his digital tendon sheath injected with what looks like a combo of Amikacin which is an antibiotic used with bacterial infections and possibly polyglycan which is hyaluromnic acid, glucosamine and sodium chondroitan and possibly vetalog which is a corticosteroid used to fight inflamation. He also got a shot of Baytril which is also an antibiotic. He got antibiotics till the 21st when he worked and was scoped again. The next week he only got vitamins On the 28th he worked again and bled (see EIPH slight) and both ankles were injected with hyalrulonic acid. The next day he got 1 shot of antibiotics and vitamins The next day he received a DMSO jug, a shot of Robaxin which is a muscle relaxant and a shot of banamine which reduces inflammation. The day before the derby he got a shot of bute, amino acids, and robinul and sodium iodide. The Robinul and sodium iodide are usually used as a prerace treatment for a bleeder. The rest is self explanatory.
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10-06-2009, 10:52 PM
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Fascinating. What is lost here is that IEAH vetted him out and he was, presumably, fine, or fine enough. They should sue their vet and/or insurance company and not Lanzman. And yes, I'm a lawyer so I am fully qualified to speak on this matter.
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All horses have the potential to become bleeders - this is a good and brief article on what is going on in the horses lungs while under exercise: http://www.ctba.com/03magazine/jul/AskVets.pdf
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10-07-2009, 04:06 AM
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They did a study in australia were they scoped 1000 horses after hard work & a amazing result came back 82 % of these horses had bleed in some form , Not all horses bleed out both nostrils which is classed as a "bleeder".
I Have seen & backed unfortunately quite a few bleeders who dont bleed out the nose but when suddenly did not preform or have the classic fly for 800 mtrs the stop come back as what the vet calls white ie when it's scoped it's bleed so much it's white inside. Bleeders are banned & no laxis is allowed in australia in case the horse falls down dead .but the reallity this never happens, more likely to be a heart attack than a bleeding attack so the non use of laxis is absolutely stupid, On a completely different note if a racehorse has sore feet but is absolutely safe shouldnt it run on bute as its not affecting it's preformance just easing the horses pain when it runs for 1 min 12 secs. Drug laws are made for people not horses.
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10-07-2009, 09:53 AM
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Chuck, thank you for the detailed explanation. I understand joint injections and Adequan etc (my show hunter gets his hocks done before the show season each year) but is an antibiotic regimen that common in a horse healthy enough to be training as the favorite for the KY Derby?
I think that IWR was purchased before the Wood, meaing that a pre-purchase exam (PPE) must have been done at some point in March. I've seen PPE's done for average pleasure and show horses that reveal the start of tendon strain. I would imagine that if a buyer is paying for a multi million dollar share in a major Derby contender that the exam might be even more thorough-though I'm not sure in what areas. Chuckles, most vets will tell you that they can do the exam and comment on the horse's current condition but cannot predict future soundness or even assess how he may handle a particlular job in the future. Unless a vet simply didn't do an ordered test or stepped well out of role and advised the purchase of a lame/unsuitable horse, it's hard to sue a vet for anything regarding a PPE.
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why should they sue their insurance company? We dont tell people to buy horses or not, thats for sure.
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