2009 Breeders' Cup

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Kasept

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Misc. movements as noted...

$5 million Breeders' Cup Classic

1. Awesome Gem (Dollase/D. Flores)
2. Colonel John (Harty/Gomez)
3. Einstein (Pitts-Blasi/Leparoux)
4. Gio Ponti (Clement/R. Dominguez)
5. Mine That Bird (Woolley/Borel)
6. Quality Road (Pletcher/J. Velazquez)
7. Regal Ransom (bin Suroor/Migliore)
8. Richard's Kid (Baffert/Solis)
9. Rip Van Winkle (O'Brien/Murtagh) Post time favorite
10. Summer Bird (Ice/Desormeaux) 3rd choice in betting
11. Twice Over (Cecil/Queally)
12. Zenyatta (Shirreffs/M. Smith) 2nd choice in betting
13. Girolamo (bin Suroor/A. Garcia)

Yes ... nothing says memorable quite like a Classic where the favorite is a Euro turf import for a trainer who is 3 for his last 65 in North America.

The 2nd choice has modest margin slow fig wins over Briecat, Anabaa's Creation, and Lethal heat in her last 3 races.

And the 3rd choice has never run on anything but dirt... goes 1st synthetic.

[Mike]

I took a lot of notes last year after the Santa Anita B.C., with this year's races in mind. Not that one weekend of racing constitutes any kind of trend, but I have to stick to what I suggested for myself to do this year:

U.S. horses are very plausible in the sprints and Juveniles; front runners fared poorly on the Pro Ride(and the turf); Euro's on turf, U.S horse for course types underneath in exotics.

I agree with DruGs about the overlooked, "2nd tier" Euro's, I think that might have to be the profitable angle, as everyone will jump all over the Euro's this year(hence the alternate wagering stance of betting against them all this year and hoping things even out)

I'm pretty much left with Twice Over in the Classic

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Scav

Did you say Zensational was a lock? I am too lazy to look up your posting history

Let me be the first on record here to say Zensational is a lock to finish behind Cost Of Freedom in the BC Sprint.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes ... nothing says memorable quite like a Classic where the favorite is a Euro turf import for a trainer who is 3 for his last 65 in North America.

Sh!t, when your go-to riders in America are Spencer and Murtagh, what kind of record would you expect.

[CSC]

I see alot of Father Time chatter, which cools me abit on him if he gets bet down, I thought he was getting a Jockey upgrade from Spencer to whomever but only vaguely hearing of Queally, a quick check of his stats in Europe, let's say they don't exactly jump off the page.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

So Barry Abrams can run a gelding that is still eligible for the N1X condition.

Seriously what was the reasoning again? I understood and defended the turf sprint, especially now that seemingly 1/2 the races run are turf sprints but what was the need to add a race that is only run in this country for starter 5k claimers? I wasnt opposed to the turf races for 2 year olds. But the Marathon is a total outlier.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Seriously what was the reasoning again? I understood and defended the turf sprint, especially now that seemingly 1/2 the races run are turf sprints but what was the need to add a race that is only run in this country for starter 5k claimers? I wasnt opposed to the turf races for 2 year olds. But the Marathon is a total outlier.

Makes the Euros happy.

[Alan07]

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...04/breederscup

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Alan07

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse...04/breederscup

I laughed.

Watch Zenyatta go off the favorite. First time in the history of the Classic the favorite will have come into the race off of back to back Beyers in the 90's.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I laughed.

Watch Zenyatta go off the favorite. First time in the history of the Classic the favorite will have come into the race off of back to back Beyers in the 90's.

I'm intriqued by the Other Euro, Twice Over..

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I was as well.

I'd have liked him a lot more if Sea The Stars ran and things went swimmingly for Rip Van Winkle leading in.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Scav

Makes the Euros happy.

They wont be happy next year on the dirt

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I know she was probably a cut below but I was really hoping Criticism would be given a chance in the F&M Turf solely because there was no speed pointing to it and none appeared after the pre-entries came out.

She's a complete money-burning pig who can't ever find the wire but methinks Visit is going to run a bang-up race. Her best turf races have come at SA and the dimension she showed last time by stalking the pace was a welcome addition. I thought from a race flow perspective she ran well in the Yellow Ribbon. Might be worth a look at > 10-1.

NT

Hasn't Dynaforce won some of her biggest races walking on the lead? Those might have been on less than firm turf courses though.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by jms62

I'm intriqued by the Other Euro, Twice Over..

Hmm hope it doesn't come down to the classic in the contest. Might have to switch him to my alternate.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Hasn't Dynaforce won some of her biggest races walking on the lead? Those might have been on less than firm turf courses though.

Her biggest wins to date (in fact her only US wins) were in the Flower Bowl 2008 which was run over a complete bog and the Beverly D when she made a middle move and stayed on through a painfully slow stretch drive.

This year she's looked like she can barely stand up on firm turf as she was drilled in the Gallorette (granted it was her first start of the year) then the Modesty was a pretty terrible effort as well.

She's interesting purely from the pace perspective but I guess that's why I'm taking more of a liking to Visit, who probably won't be far off the pace and will be ridden by a jockey who specializes in the 'watchdog' role.

From what I've seen in Midday's replays and her PPs she probably won't let them get far away.

NT

[jms62]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Hmm hope it doesn't come down to the classic in the contest. Might have to switch him to my alternate.

Dude you are the God of the Euros.. I was hopping my lead would hold up. I am gasping for the wire.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by jms62

Dude you are the God of the Euros.. I was hopping my lead would hold up. I am gasping for the wire.

Haha thanks, but I'd still prefer your position obviously. My biggest problem is going to be narrowing it down to a top selection in each race when a lot of these are total spreads from a wagering standpoint.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Haha thanks, but I'd still prefer your position obviously. My biggest problem is going to be narrowing it down to a top selection in each race when a lot of these are total spreads from a wagering standpoint.

Do you usually dutch on the win side? I think the P3's are the way to go.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by jms62

Do you usually dutch on the win side? I think the P3's are the way to go.

No dutching. . . I play mostly PK3s and 4s. . . will also play wins on best value horses and exactas/tris if I think it's a good race for them.

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by Kasept

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$2 million TVG Breeders' Cup Mile


6. Gladitorius (bin Shafya/Ajtebi)

Steve, is Gladitorius officially trained by bin Shafya now? It was bin Suroor after Dubai!