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Old 11-20-2009, 01:46 PM
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The connection is that the President, other than appointment, has zero influence (however, look during the second Bush term, which introduced serious questions of illegal influence). Remember Watergate? Even the most lawbreaking President's recourse is pretty much only to fire them.

To accuse the current Executive branch of collusion with the AG is a pretty heavy accusation.
It's not collusion. It's chain of command. The Attorney General serves at the pleasure of the president as part of his cabinet. What you are seeing, by virtue of his being allowed to continue in the job, is the president's will.
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Old 11-20-2009, 04:24 PM
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The connection is that the President, other than appointment, has zero influence (however, look during the second Bush term, which introduced serious questions of illegal influence). Remember Watergate? Even the most lawbreaking President's recourse is pretty much only to fire them.

To accuse the current Executive branch of collusion with the AG is a pretty heavy accusation.
Perception was one of the key reasons stated as to why they would be tried in Federal rather than military court. You seriously think that the rest of the world is going to believe that these guys got a fair trial unless they are acquitted? I know if they were in Russia and Putin or his puppet President said he thought they would be executed before the trail I would have serious doubts that the trial was remotely fair regardless of the guilt of the accused. Same for China or just about any country.

The reality of a situation and the perception are often far apart. Obama's statemnts make it look like he knows what the outcome will be prior to the trial. He should have said some gibberish about believing in the American justice system. But lets face it, the polls dont like the decision and he hates being on the wrong side of those. So he "assured" the unhappy citizens that executions will be held. Prior to the trial being held.
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Old 11-20-2009, 05:41 PM
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It's not collusion. It's chain of command. The Attorney General serves at the pleasure of the president as part of his cabinet. What you are seeing, by virtue of his being allowed to continue in the job, is the president's will.
the president can certainly fire the a.g. if he wants.

i think riot's point (and she can correct me if i'm wrong) is that the a.g. in particular is supposed to have an arm's length relationship with the white house to avoid the fact or appearence of political interference in his/her decision's.

you only need to go back as far as the incompetent and gutless alberto gonzales to see why you need a strong individual to stand up against any inappropriate attempts by the white house to interfere in or direct the a.g.'s decisions.

it's appropriate and expected that the secretary of state sometimes receives direction from the white house. it's completely inapproriate and anti-democratic for the nations prosecutor in chief to do so.
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Old 11-20-2009, 07:57 PM
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you only need to go back as far as the incompetent and gutless alberto gonzales to see why you need a strong individual to stand up against any inappropriate attempts by the white house to interfere in or direct the a.g.'s decisions.
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Old 11-21-2009, 06:10 PM
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News flash. O'Dumbass rating drops to below %50. Lets impeach this imbecile before he really ruins this great country of ours and it will take many years to unscrew his mess.
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Old 11-21-2009, 07:06 PM
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News flash. O'Dumbass rating drops to below %50. Lets impeach this imbecile before he really ruins this great country of ours and it will take many years to unscrew his mess.

lack of popularity isn't an impeachable offense.
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Old 11-22-2009, 10:19 AM
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I love this new bumper sticker that is being sold:

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Old 11-22-2009, 11:55 AM
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I love this new bumper sticker that is being sold:

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Dude..everyone here knows you are a right wing redneck and a Veteran who wants our President dead, but can you try and post something besides hate? Maybe a solution to what you feel are our economic issues?
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Old 11-22-2009, 12:02 PM
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Dude..everyone here knows you are a right wing redneck and a Veteran who wants our President dead, but can you try and post something besides hate? Maybe a solution to what you feel are our economic issues?
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Old 11-22-2009, 12:10 PM
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Dude..everyone here knows you are a right wing redneck and a Veteran who wants our President dead, but can you try and post something besides hate? Maybe a solution to what you feel are our economic issues?
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Old 11-22-2009, 12:49 PM
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I love this new bumper sticker that is being sold:

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Ass
Mistake
America
Oh, the other haters are far ahead of you, with the Psalm "pray for Obama" assassination-hope stuff. I personally hope they are all terribly inconvenienced by the FBI for a few hours each.
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Old 11-22-2009, 02:26 PM
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Dude..everyone here knows you are a right wing redneck and a Veteran who wants our President dead, but can you try and post something besides hate? Maybe a solution to what you feel are our economic issues?

First off I wouldnt wish death on anyone even on a person like you. I might be right wing person but how does that make me a redneck? Im sure your one of the millions who believed in O'Dumbass lies. Yes I am proud to be a Veteran, its a great accomplishment. I guess you cant accept the truth and would rather see this country go down the crappers. Im sure you feel illegals should get free health care.
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Old 11-22-2009, 02:27 PM
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Oh, the other haters are far ahead of you, with the Psalm "pray for Obama" assassination-hope stuff. I personally hope they are all terribly inconvenienced by the FBI for a few hours each.
I wouldnt wish for the Pres to get assassinated. Im not that low of a person. Im sure GBBob thinks I am though. But this is America and we are all entiled to our opinions.
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Old 11-22-2009, 02:29 PM
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About the only thing he got right was that I am a Veteran.
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Old 11-22-2009, 03:32 PM
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how does that make me a redneck?
I laughed.
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Old 11-22-2009, 03:47 PM
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I laughed.
Makes me think he supports O'Dumbass and probably feels that people should get get handouts when it comes to health insurance. He probably believes that a person not working and not looking for a job but can work should have his health insurance paid for by the taxpayers.
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Old 11-23-2009, 12:32 PM
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Makes me think he supports O'Dumbass and probably feels that people should get get handouts when it comes to health insurance. He probably believes that a person not working and not looking for a job but can work should have his health insurance paid for by the taxpayers.
They already are!
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Old 11-23-2009, 01:31 PM
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I wanted to give credit where credit was due
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Old 11-23-2009, 03:56 PM
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I wanted to give credit where credit was due
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Old 11-23-2009, 05:30 PM
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Makes me think he supports O'Dumbass and probably feels that people should get get handouts when it comes to health insurance. He probably believes that a person not working and not looking for a job but can work should have his health insurance paid for by the taxpayers.
I get it!
His name his Obama....and you think he is a dumb ass.....so you combine the two and get.....O'Dumbass!
Comic gold dude!
Please make sure that you continue including this clever construction in EVERY SINGLE ONE of your posts.
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