climate center hacked

[Danzig]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34079149...shington_post/


skeptics having a field day.


http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalca...limate-center/


from the above:

Officials at Hadley, a leading global-warming research center, have apparently confirmed to a Kiwi publication that the documents are genuine.


-and-

Some of the old emails from scientists made public apparently make references to things like “hid[ing] the decline,” referring to global temperature series and different ways to slice and dice climate data.



and one of the emails being seized upon:

Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,
Once Tim’s got a diagram here we’ll send that either later today or
first thing tomorrow.
I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from
1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline. Mike’s series got the annual
land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land
N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999
for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with
data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.
Thanks for the comments, Ray.

Cheers
Phil

Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) xxxxx

[timmgirvan]

Busted!

[Danzig]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...lobal-warming/

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...lobal-warming/

It's a tragedy that the tides and fortunes of nations have turned on this "cottage industry". It's all great to be environmentally conscious (green)
but I dare say that Gores' groupies should be purple from shame. Unfortunately, they have too much cash riding on the battle for the Earth!

[dellinger63]

sssssssssh and it will go away. Cap and Trade LMAO

[SOREHOOF]

So much for all those "climatologists". The debate is over. I know a lot of people will still want to believe in this new state sponsored religion. The cap and tax bill will still probably get voted on. This is why the administration and their croneys on the hill want to pass all of these bills in a big hurry, before anyone has a chance to read, debate, or disprove what is being touted as fact. This is a very inconvenient truth for the global warming crowd.

[Riot]

So much for people that think climate change is political and false, rather than a scientific reality

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php.../the-cru-hack/

More interesting is what is not contained in the emails. There is no evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros nefariously funding climate research, no grand plan to ‘get rid of the MWP’, no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the falsifying of data, and no ‘marching orders’ from our socialist/communist/vegetarian overlords. The truly paranoid will put this down to the hackers also being in on the plot though.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

It's a tragedy that the tides and fortunes of nations have turned on this "cottage industry". It's all great to be environmentally conscious (green)
but I dare say that Gores' groupies should be purple from shame. Unfortunately, they have too much cash riding on the battle for the Earth!

No, the true tragedy is the incredible lack of basic science education for our children in the USA, thus leaving many people unable to objectively and accurately assess the basics of scientific subjects that affect their lives.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, the true tragedy is the incredible lack of basic science education for our children in the USA, thus leaving many people unable to objectively and accurately assess the basics of scientific subjects that affect their lives.

Al Gore or Michael Moore? or are you talking of KY folk and rattle snakes?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

So much for people that think climate change is political and false, rather than a scientific reality

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php.../the-cru-hack/

Some people with a smoking gun in their hand, standing over the dead body will still proclaim innocence. Oldest trick in the books in to deflect attention off of what was found onto some nebulous fantasy of what wasnt.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, the true tragedy is the incredible lack of basic science education for our children in the USA, thus leaving many people unable to objectively and accurately assess the basics of scientific subjects that affect their lives.

Only another couple thousand years to see who was ultimately right on climate change

[dellinger63]

Riot you missed your calling and would have made a great OJ juror

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Some people with a smoking gun in their hand, standing over the dead body will still proclaim innocence. Oldest trick in the books in to deflect attention off of what was found onto some nebulous fantasy of what wasnt.

it's easier to talk about what isn't than what is. fact is these emails indicate a massaging of data. but that's not what believers want to see, so they ignore it. these scientists believe in warming. so, if they get data that doesn't corroborate their belief, they ignore or change the data. ta daaaa. global warming. they don't get called crackpots, and they don't get their funding cut.

[SOREHOOF]

This should be a huge story in the media, but it's not. Only 1 network is even reporting it. Can you guess who?

[witchdoctor]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

This should be a huge story in the media, but it's not. Only 1 network is even reporting it. Can you guess who?

The one that is unbiased.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by witchdoctor

The one that is unbiased.

That's rich

Riot is probably a republican. I'm starting to believe she hates white people though. That's probably why she's an Obama supporter. If the republicans get a person of color to run for president she will be back in the fold.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

You guys mean the ice age predicted for us, 30 years ago,
also isn't gonna happen too ?

DAMMIT !!!!

Just when I thought I wouldn't need to buy rink time !!

Ice ages take time. Global Warming is a "crisis". Both are "Climate Change". I'll take the warming any day.

[SOREHOOF]

Just don't tax me over it, please.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's easier to talk about what isn't than what is. fact is these emails indicate a massaging of data. but that's not what believers want to see, so they ignore it. these scientists believe in warming. so, if they get data that doesn't corroborate their belief, they ignore or change the data. ta daaaa. global warming. they don't get called crackpots, and they don't get their funding cut.

Naw, sorry - it just indicates the usual infighting among academics. Science isn't really a "belief" system