McLaughlin with 3 positives; Gets 30 day ban..

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'll try to say this a kindly as possible but you are putting out misleading info while being absolutely offbase.

I am awaiting your private reply.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I am awaiting your private reply.

sent

[gales0678]

chuck i know you kidded me about this in the past , but gander mentioned it earlier in the thread

just how does lind rice go from winning a major meet to not being competitive at all at bel or aqu so far , are the horses simply tired . she wasn't just winning turf sprints at sar was she?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

chuck i know you kidded me about this in the past , but gander mentioned it earlier in the thread

just how does lind rice go from winning a major meet to not being competitive at all at bel or aqu so far , are the horses simply tired . she wasn't just winning turf sprints at sar was she?

I have no idea gales. Let it go man

[Danzig]

i think it's always serious when a trainer gets caught. but since a split sample has yet to be tested, maybe he's getting a break til they know for sure?

the issue isn't with the cheating-it's the lack of real punishment. why else would people keep pushing? they don't think they'd get caught, but if they do, it's a 'vacation'. for others, it's a lot of vacations!

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I have no idea gales. Let it go man

fair eneough

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think it's always serious when a trainer gets caught. but since a split sample has yet to be tested, maybe he's getting a break til they know for sure?

the issue isn't with the cheating-it's the lack of real punishment. why else would people keep pushing? they don't think they'd get caught, but if they do, it's a 'vacation'. for others, it's a lot of vacations!

Know what the issue is with me? They don't even seem to be able to figure out how to cheat "well" - where there's a real benefit!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

fair eneough

You got a thing for LR dont you?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think it's always serious when a trainer gets caught. but since a split sample has yet to be tested, maybe he's getting a break til they know for sure?

the issue isn't with the cheating-it's the lack of real punishment. why else would people keep pushing? they don't think they'd get caught, but if they do, it's a 'vacation'. for others, it's a lot of vacations!

It isnt even the time. It is not losing business and in the most perverse case, actually gaining business while suspended. hell if you gave guys no days but they lost 25% of their horses for every serious positive you'd see a different attitude towards violations.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You got a thing for LR dont you?

not really , chuck i really had a thing for diane nelson thou if u really want to know

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'll try to say this a kindly as possible but you are putting out misleading info while being absolutely offbase.

who would have thought!!!!!!!

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The only thing that surprised me was it took them so long.

Didn't you have a connection with him with Divine Park? Makes one think there may be a laundry list of Barry Bond's that ran for that stable...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Now that is a BS tactic!

No it's not. He answered me.

Some of this stuff makes me laugh - just because they throw something into a horse doesn't mean it does what they want or hope.

This thread is the highway. I am the car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7dx7efwYPA

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cardus

That was levity.

This is a serious discussion. Levity is not allowed.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It isnt even the time. It is not losing business and in the most perverse case, actually gaining business while suspended. hell if you gave guys no days but they lost 25% of their horses for every serious positive you'd see a different attitude towards violations.

that's true too. look at asmussen...he serves six months, soon as he returns what horse shows up in his barn? curlin. owned by the great 'sportsman' jess jackson. it's sickening really. the breed and sport were around for years because people sought to make a good horse. now they just want to make a buck.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They are allowed, that is the difference. You, freddy, are one of the problems in this sport,game,business or whatever you want to call it. You want to disregard the intent by saying they just want to win as though breaking the rules is acceptable. Or you want to gloss over the records of past abuse. or you want to lump all meds in one big basket. You my friend are the voice of a many owners who use these excuses to justify hiring a guy with a poor track record. And THAT is the greatest obstacle this sport, game business has in cleaning up its act.

This sport is no different then any other.. my horse had double barrel adaquan for two days before he raced. Adaquan is legal in Pa. to race on.. Is adaquan a naturally occuring substance? Is gastrogard a natural substance. Surely your horses get similar meds as they are common and helpful to making them feel better and run faster.. You think the line stops where? I want nothing to do with racing any horse on any medication that is NOT LEGAL. but if it is legal and will help me win and pay for a complete laimo you are dam straight I am interested. If ole Kenny Mc peek was buying 50k horses and found something which was a non natural substance but was not detrimental to the horses health made them run better and wasnt going to get him or myself in trouble count me in as long at it is legal. Legal is defined as a substance which is tested for that the state mandates you get in troublefor if your horse races on it. If they dont test for it how can it be illegal or more importantly why ?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by freddymo

This sport is no different then any other.. my horse had double barrel adaquan for two days before he raced. Adaquan is legal in Pa. to race on.. Is adaquan a naturally occuring substance? Is gastrogard a natural substance. Surely your horses get similar meds as they are common and helpful to making them feel better and run faster.. You think the line stops where? I want nothing to do with racing any horse on any medication that is NOT LEGAL. but if it is legal and will help me win and pay for a complete laimo you are dam straight I am interested. If ole Kenny Mc peek was buying 50k horses and found something which was a non natural substance but was not detrimental to the horses health made them run better and wasnt going to get him or myself in trouble count me in as long at it is legal. Legal is defined as a substance which is tested for that the state mandates you get in troublefor if your horse races on it. If they dont test for it how can it be illegal or more importantly why ?

kenny mcpeek reminds me of doctors - they are always away on vacation when you need them and you have to settle for an asst

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by gales0678

kenny mcpeek reminds me of doctors - they are always away on vacation when you need them and you have to settle for an asst

Really Kenny McPeek won a ton of Dough this last Keeneland meet, racing his 50k yearlings against 500k yearlings. Your Dr must have some VERY smokin hot asst's.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Really Kenny McPeek won a ton of Dough this last Keeneland meet, racing his 50k yearlings against 500k yearlings. Your Dr must have some VERY smokin hot asst's.

and mr mcpeek has some pretty good one's as well

freddy what will the shieks do , will they dump kiaran?