Republican Senator in Massachusetts?

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by geeker2

DeboDeb YEA! Great job!

Thanks Kev!!!!

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

We shouldn't pay for it. Problem solved. No care.

But the point is that American citizens pay for the health care procedures of the uninsured RIGHT NOW. The current system is a system where people without coverage go to the emergency room and receive treatment that people with coverage pay for. That is the way it currently works.

I take it you want to fundamentally change the current system so that if uninsured people go to the emergency room they simply get kicked out. That's fine if that is your opinion, but I seriously doubt if you will even get many Republicans to go to voters with that agenda.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Today is a great day and I am so thrilled there are 41 Red's in the Senate now.

Also, a very liberal dem in the house (dont know name) said "maybe we should think about taking a step back, passing through a jobs bill that has some health reform attached to lower costs"

If this hypothetical "jobs" bill has some tort reform in it, elimination of pre-existing conditions, language stating that you cant drop someone for getting sick, and opens up competition over state lines.... AND costs less than 50 billion or so (which is still insanily high).. then I'm all for it!!

i would rather they passed something with incentives for more employers to offer insurance. since it seems for the most part to be handled by businesses anyway, they need to make it easier, more affordable to get for small businesses. then, if it didn't cost the employer so much, they in turn wouldn't have to get the employee to pay such a large portion. more purchasers in turn drives down cost. more purchasers engenders more competition as well between insurers.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by Riot

And me. We'd all fail the "Are you a true GOP supporter" party test, as would Brown Glad they dropped that silliness ...

My point was that Brown ran a great political campaign, and Coakely ran a lousy one. She got what she earned from the electorate.

You're right. Brown ran a fantastic campaign and worked hard for this win. Coakley just assumed it was hers and went to Washington fundraisers when she should have been campaigning here. She also insulted too many different groups and seemed unconcerned about it. Early on, they just assumed women would vote for her because she's a woman. By Monday, it was "women are voting for Brown because he posed in Cosmo and is good-looking". It never occurred to them that women could actually vote on issues. She insulted Catholics. Big mistake there. The Kennedys were Irish Catholics and had many supporters there. Also the hispanic community is largely Catholic. lastly, she insulted the Red Sox fans. A big no-no in the Boston area especially. She gave an overall impression of "I'm better than the little people". That elitist attitude is wearing thin. Lastly, when the polls began to show a close race, she went extremely negative in her tv ads. I can't begin to tell you how that turned people off.
Both parties should learn something from this election. Voters are sick and tired of negative ads. They want to hear about the issues. Voters want someone who is listening to them and they don't care if they are republicans or democrats. Voters are tired of the far-right and far-left. The independent party (at least here in MA. although I'm pretty sure it's happening in the rest of the country) is growing because of this. As much as both extremes would like to believe, gay marriage and abortion are not the big issues. Most people accept that abortion is a personal choice and could care less if gay people get married. Independents can also think for themselves and don't need a political party to tell them how to vote. They also don't need a leader (hence the term "independent"). Scott Brown was elected because he listened to the people. If he goes to Washington and forgets that, he will be voted out in 2012 by those same people. The republicans would be making a big mistake if they think this election means politics as usual. Both parties have vastly underestimated the anger of the people. Hopefully this election will get their attention.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

so make a healthy person subsidize the insurance of a un-healthy or non-productive citizen so both can get into the same line for care? yea that sounds fair and a solution to eliminate it. BTW since you seem to be so familiar w/the bill what happens to the illegal who shows up at the ER since he's not included in the bill?

More than likely this country will treat the illegals just like this country wont do anything about the illegals and keep on kissing thier ass'. Glad I dont have to deal with this insurance.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

What do you think McCain would have done? "Cut taxes"? Well, Obama cut your payroll taxes already last spring. "Cut taxes more to create jobs"? See what happened to unemployment numbers when Reagan cut taxes to create jobs during his recession - those numberes skyrocketed (the concepts in "Reaganomics" was a pretty big failure in retrospect)

The GOP is currently gearing up to fight hard for tax cuts - the taxes that are going to be imposed on bank bonus money, as payback for TARP funding, as per the law that was passed when the banks got the money.

The GOP, fighting for free market capitalism.

What specifically do you think should have been done differently, had the GOP been in charge this past year, starting with the Bush bailouts and initial stimulus?

Why did O'Dumbass give stimulus checks when we had to pay it back. Some form of stimulus.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Why did O'Dumbass give stimulus checks when we had to pay it back. Some form of stimulus.

kinda like the bush stimulus. i went from getting a little to paying a little. but i'm thinking you didn't complain then...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

We shouldn't pay for it. Problem solved. No care.

So you are in favor of National ID cards proving citizenship? And when you present at the ER with crushing chest pain, the doctors should hold off on starting your IV, hooking you up to ECG, giving you nitroglycerin, and correcting any arrhythmia until you can prove you're an American citizen?

[Nascar1966]

There should be no bailouts. Awful funny how these companies who got bailed out are giving out large bonus'. If sure it happened when Bush was in office.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

So you are in favor of National ID cards proving citizenship? And when you present at the ER with crushing chest pain, the doctors should hold off on starting your IV, hooking you up to ECG, giving you nitroglycerin, and correcting any arrhythmia until you can prove you're an American citizen?

I am. F these worthless pieces of crap illegals. If they want to come to this country legally and learn our lanuage no problem. Its very discouraging seeing these illegals and so called American citizens who are supposedly legal citizens burning the American flag. I had a friend email a pic showing the American flag below another countries' flag. Nice way to respect this great country of ours, im sure most the students families in the picture were probably on state aid or welfare maybe even getting cheap housing. This is the way they thank our country for giving them free handouts. Not in my country. Hell no!!!!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I am. F these worthless pieces of crap illegals. If they want to come to this country legally and learn our lanuage no problem. Its very discouraging seeing these illegals and so called American citizens who are supposedly legal citizens burning the American flag. I had a friend email a pic showing the American flag below another countries' flag. Nice way to respect this great country of ours, im sure most the students families in the picture were probably on state aid or welfare maybe even getting cheap housing. This is the way they thank our country for giving them free handouts. Not in my country. Hell no!!!!

In my country, we save people's lives first - everybody's life - then later worry about if they are some illegal Canadian.

You might call Nick Nicholson at Keeneland - they always have other countries flags the same height as the American flag on their flagpoles, and that poor flag etiquette has always bothered me.

[Riot]

Why did O'Dumbass give stimulus checks when we had to pay it back. Some form of stimulus.

Bush and Obama gave out loans, which have to be paid back, to companies. Not to citizens.

You haven't received a stimulus check from Obama, let alone one you have to pay back. You have received a payroll tax cut from Obama. Bush gave you a stimulus check, but you didn't have to pay it back.

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

There should be no bailouts. Awful funny how these companies who got bailed out are giving out large bonus'. If sure it happened when Bush was in office.

??? Bush did that - Bush enacted and gave the first corporate bailouts.

Now, the Dems have proposed a tax on those large bonuses (which was included in the original law, that there has to be some legal provision enacted to get the money back), but the Repubs are screaming against that tax.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

People might says the Republicans suck...

You could easily do that Republican Senator job. Talk about getting paid for doing nothing. Could just program robots to vote no. Actually some of them voted for the obviously biased racist to get confirmed to the Supreme Court. Have no idea why they voted for yes for that poor selection. Other than that political correctness, could of just had 40 robots showing up. What gets me is these Conservative doctors get all this education, and then would rather do a job so easy that any white trash tea party guy could do it. That a-hole from Oklahoma should be delivering babies, and cleaning up yeast infections. Nascar could easily cover that job in the senate.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I am. F these worthless pieces of crap illegals. If they want to come to this country legally and learn our lanuage no problem. Its very discouraging seeing these illegals and so called American citizens who are supposedly legal citizens burning the American flag. I had a friend email a pic showing the American flag below another countries' flag. Nice way to respect this great country of ours, im sure most the students families in the picture were probably on state aid or welfare maybe even getting cheap housing. This is the way they thank our country for giving them free handouts. Not in my country. Hell no!!!!

I agree Nascar. If people want to be here, they need to speak american!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i would rather they passed something with incentives for more employers to offer insurance. since it seems for the most part to be handled by businesses anyway, they need to make it easier, more affordable to get for small businesses. then, if it didn't cost the employer so much, they in turn wouldn't have to get the employee to pay such a large portion. more purchasers in turn drives down cost. more purchasers engenders more competition as well between insurers.

That was there. It was called, "the public option" and "insurance exchanges". The Republicans wouldn't approve it. So it's gone.

Now the House bill does have some insurance exchanges left for companies to try and buy less expensive insurance, but who knows if it will remain.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

So you are in favor of National ID cards proving citizenship? And when you present at the ER with crushing chest pain, the doctors should hold off on starting your IV, hooking you up to ECG, giving you nitroglycerin, and correcting any arrhythmia until you can prove you're an American citizen?

1) To begin with, Illegals shouldn't be getting in. Period. The people coming here for vacations should have to prove they have healthcare insurance, or stay the fk away.

2) If Illegals get in (with no insurance,) they should be treated in the E.R. only after all the seriously ill citizens are treated.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by gales0678

scuds you can paint it anyway you want , yesterday and the gov races in nov show the independents have given up on the dems for now

Oh, just wait when one of your pigs gets in there, and has gotta get 60% for everything. Your time is coming. Independents know the least about why something doesn't work. DEMS n' Repubs usually know exactly why something fails. They just won't admit it. Independents vote mainly on personality, n' that's why McCain couldn't get them, and that's why this cold fish couldn't get Independent Sox fans (even if she'd offered to blow em.) You gunna run a Pro-Choice candidate in 2012? You want INDEPENDENTS? Better do it. Can you get one the Repub nomination?.. Not.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

They want to hear about the issues.

No, they mainly don't care. A state with over 50% Independents is true sign that they don't give a fk about the issues. People who care about issues don't vote for people that disagree with them on the issues they care about. They elect Kennedy, and Romney. O.K.? Opposites. THEY OBVIOUSLY DON'T GIVE A SHT ABOUT THE ISSUES. That's not what people do when they actually care about the issues. For example, this guy feasted on the deal Nelson got, but why was that deal done? Well, it's that stupid 60% bullshit, and I highly doubt he cared to talk about that 60% issue. That's the real issue that created the problem he feasted on. I doubt these people (you say care about the issues) even cared about that very real problem that's gunna keep Presidents from being able to properly govern (from now on.)

[AeWingnut]

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[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Bush and Obama gave out loans, which have to be paid back, to companies. Not to citizens.

You haven't received a stimulus check from Obama, let alone one you have to pay back. You have received a payroll tax cut from Obama. Bush gave you a stimulus check, but you didn't have to pay it back.



??? Bush did that - Bush enacted and gave the first corporate bailouts.

Now, the Dems have proposed a tax on those large bonuses (which was included in the original law, that there has to be some legal provision enacted to get the money back), but the Repubs are screaming against that tax.

the first 'stimulus' a few years back from bush, turned out to be an advance on a tax credit. that's what i was referring to when i said it messed up my taxes.

as for the tax on banks obama suggested...it always sounds nice when they say the big, bad corps are going to have to pay out, but we all know who ends up paying the extra. companies aren't going to alter their bottom line, so any other fees they have to pay will get passed on to us, the consumer.