The Michael Gill/Penn National Riders Saga

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

One complete untruth posted several times in this thread is that Gill makes money on his horse racing operation. That being said this thread is still several levels above the drivel in the comment section on Paulicks site...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I voted for her.. Steph Beattie is aggressive were she places horses. When was her last positive?

She's had a few recent suspensions.

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/rac...uspension.aspx

Not to mention she single handedly accounted for 13 of the first 48 steroid overages at the states 3 race tracks....but hey, only doing stuff at 27% has to feel like a gigantic disapointment for her.

Using archived result charts, I was able to look up each race where a horse tested positive out of and identify each trainer of the 48 horses. The list was dominated by one in-state trainer and featured multiple offenses from a few others.

One high-profile trainer whose army of horses didn't produce a single positive test was Scott Lake, who currently ranks second in the nation in races won and has a large stable racing in Pennsylvania. While the big-volume Lake stable pitched a shutout, horses trained by the magical Stephanie Beattie racked up an alarming 13 positive steroid tests -- eight more than the next highest trainer.

And I wouldn't care if she never had a positive... all I need to do is witness the form reversals and observe her magic to know she's possibly the games greatest alchemist of the past decade.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

She's had a few recent suspensions.

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/rac...uspension.aspx

Not to mention she single handedly accounted for 13 of the first 48 steroid overages at the states 3 race tracks....but hey, only doing stuff at 27% has to feel like a gigantic disapointment for her.



And I wouldn't care if she never had a positive... all I need to do is witness the form reversals and observe her magic to know she's possibly the games greatest alchemist of the past decade.

Todd must be so proud.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Todd must be so proud.

Divorced but friends

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Divorced but friends

So she doesn't share her "juice"

[MISTERGEE]

what is the highest winning percentage trainer maybe for a meet with over 50 starts because there is a guy at Delta by the name Of Tony Richey who is 33 for 73 thats 45% almost win one, lose one, win one, lose one. That must be nice!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

So she doesn't share her "juice"

Her stuff is better than Todd's ... or any other Beattie for that matter.

When her horses ran under her boyfriends name (David Wells) ... look out.


Since 2004 .. horses racing in the name of trainer David Wells are 115-for-305 - winning at a mere 37.7% clip and with an impossible ROI of $2.84 ... yeah, a 42% profit on the betting dollar from an over 300 race sample size ....

Yeah ... there's your girl voted homecoming queen.

Gill is just the big dopey action fiend that all the horse people want run out of town. I don't blame them for their efforts. He's an easy guy to hate ... and Gill is taking a big chunk of pie they'd like split up among them.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

An honest trainer, with lack of alchemy skill, can get to maybe 30% on a hot streak at a meet with agressive placing. Anything above 25% should still get the hairy eyeball.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Her stuff is better than Todd's ... or any other Beattie for that matter.

When her horses ran under her boyfriends name (David Wells) ... look out.


Since 2004 .. horses racing in the name of trainer David Wells are 115-for-305 - winning at a mere 37.7% clip and with an impossible ROI of $2.84 ... yeah, a 42% profit on the betting dollar from an over 300 race sample size ....

Yeah ... there's your girl voted homecoming queen.

Gill is just the big dopey action fiend that all the horse people want run out of town. I don't blame them for their efforts. He's an easy guy to hate ... and Gill is taking a big chunk of pie they'd like split up among them.

You really think this is ALL about trainers being pissed that Gill is winning races? They voted the woman/trainer above president, you just proved that she is grabbing a ton of the pie. So they hate Gill because he is taking the Pie and like Beattie? I dont get it.. You think the jocks care who pays them 10% of the purse? You think all the trainers banned together talked to the jocks and got them to boycott Gill? Come on they are falling at 35mph with 1100lb horses trouncing them? Sure they hate Gill for claiming there stock but do you see the Jocks banning together to boycott super trainer Jaime Ness?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I know this much ... Gill is being blown way out of proportion... and unlike Beattie or Ness .. he's not a respected horsemen and he's very easy to dislike.

When you run more than everyone else ... and when you claim the type of horses he claims ... and when you're reluctant to back off ... you're probably going to have the most breakdowns.

A few of his horses who were eased also came right back to run competitive a few weeks later. Imagine that ... jockeys courageous enough to ride Gill horses who had been eased just a few weeks earlier.

[Duvalier]

Wonder who is going to be the next trainer to step in and take over the Gill operation?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Freddy Mo.

Gill had his own trainers license and horses ran at Rockingham Park under his own name for a short time in the mid 90's.

I think he got hit with a clenbuterol and they found syringes in his barn or something.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Freddy Mo.

Gill had his own trainers license and horses ran at Rockingham Park under his own name for a short time in the mid 90's.

I think he got hit with a clenbuterol and they found syringes in his barn or something.

I have no clue what possess a man to be king of the nickel claimers

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I have no clue what possess a man to be king of the nickel claimers

Maybe you can be the next supertrainer. For starters...do you know how to put a figure eight together and read a condition book?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Maybe you can be the next supertrainer. For starters...do you know how to put a figure eight together and read a condition book?

Is a figure 8 some sort of C.ck ring?

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Is a figure 8 some sort of C.ck ring?

For now maybe just concentrate on the written part of the trainer's test. LOL

Good luck tomorrow

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

For now maybe just concentrate on the written part of the trainer's test. LOL

Good luck tomorrow

Thx

[MISTERGEE]

I am trying to figure out what the jockeys will be losing? With or without Gill wont there be the same amount of races and the same amount of purses given out?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

No one ever said abuse the horses, but if you are so uninformed as to think more than 40% of the horses who go to the gate don't have something bothering them, you are joking. There is a lot of gray area when it comes to is the horse able to go or not. I would never abuse a hores, but you sometimes have to start one that is a little sore or you'd never enter a horse.

Horses are athletes. There are physical conditions, some acute, some chronic, that are managed, as in all athletes. And there are physical conditions that threaten further harm if the horse runs with them.

No, not really any grey areas at all.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

How would you know his P&L.. Your telling me he is doing this for the thrill of winning 5 claimers? I don't know if he is making money or losing money?

I have a little experience in what it costs to have thoroughbreds in training. He cant make money. It is impossible even for a gyp operation. Whether he is using the loss for some kind of tax relief is another question.