CBO report on the stimulus

[miraja2]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100223/..._stimulus_jobs

[joeydb]

Bull. It didn't create one job.

They should list the jobs it created: names, zip codes, job title and expected duration.

But all they ever release is some contrived number.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Bull. It didn't create one job.

They should list the jobs it created: names, zip codes, job title and expected duration.

But all they ever release is some contrived number.

Come on. Is the number contrived? Absolutely! Its just as contrived as the jobs saved number. There is no arguing that.

At the same time, its a reasonable assumption that some jobs were created. Whether the method for creating those jobs is flawed is debatable, the fact that there were actually jobs created is indisputable.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Bull. It didn't create one job.

They should list the jobs it created: names, zip codes, job title and expected duration.

But all they ever release is some contrived number.

I'm sure it created one job. I'm not sure at all it created 2.1 million jobs.. that seems like bull.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Come on. Is the number contrived? Absolutely! Its just as contrived as the jobs saved number. There is no arguing that.

At the same time, its a reasonable assumption that some jobs were created. Whether the method for creating those jobs is flawed is debatable, the fact that there were actually jobs created is indisputable.

was it worth almost 1 trillion dollars??

I know the bank bailouts were worth it, though it is still tough to see those unethical companies getting so much of our tax money.. but was a 1 trillion dollar stimulus worth it?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Bull. It didn't create one job.

They should list the jobs it created: names, zip codes, job title and expected duration.

But all they ever release is some contrived number.

Nonsense. Even a bunch of GOP Senators and Congressmen have specifically thanked stimulus funds for creating specific jobs and projects in their states. .gov has that information for you, btw. When a state received $333,000 to do a specific road project that hired 12 people, that's not "bull" or "bogus". This isn't guessing about the future, it's looking back at what actually happened. Is it completely exact down to the penny? Obviously not - and that's the part within the "range" that is given.

[hi_im_god]

the good news for everyone is we'll never know what would have happened absent the stimulus.

you can reap the small benefits of a slow flat recovery while still complaining that everything the government does is wrong.

could those that think everything would have been fine if the government did nothing in the face of a credit crisis point me to an example in history where that was true?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

When a state received $333,000 to do a specific road project that hired 12 people, that's not "bull" or "bogus".

You cant pave a long driveway for $300k

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You cant pave a long driveway for $300k

Then go look at the GOP Congressional site, and pick out, after they say, "The stimulus didn't create a single job", a few of the specific stimulus projects and specific jobs those same GOP are bragging about bringing home to their states.

Here are some: http://thinkprogress.org/touting-recovery-opposed/

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Then go look at the GOP Congressional site, and pick out, after they say, "The stimulus didn't create a single job", a few of the specific stimulus projects and specific jobs those same GOP are bragging about bringing home to their states.

Here are some: http://thinkprogress.org/touting-recovery-opposed/

You seem to not be able to decipher the difference between reality and politics. I guess it makes for conversation...but not good conversation.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You seem to not be able to decipher the difference between reality and politics. I guess it makes for conversation...but not good conversation.

Huh? No, that would be you

The reality is that the GOP says the stimulus bill "didn't create one job".

Yet they are photographed as they pass out stimulus checks in their home districts, while being quoted as saying that the X amount of government stimulus money in their hands for Y project is great because it is creating Z number of jobs.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Huh? No, that would be you

The reality is that the GOP says the stimulus bill "didn't create one job".

Yet they are photographed as they pass out stimulus checks in their home districts, while being quoted as saying that the X amount of government stimulus money in their hands for Y project is great because it is creating Z number of jobs.

Are they still not members of Congress? Your argument is pointless. If we posted every instance where a politician changed course on a topic or claimed credit when they werent due any we would overload the servers.

They are politicians. This is 2010. They have been doing the same thing forever just now we have this handy thing called the internet where we can follow and record every move anyone ever makes. There are plenty of things that the GOP does wrong that you can rightfully complain about but this is silly.

[Riot]

Are they still not members of Congress? Your argument is pointless.

Joey said the stimulus didn't create one job. Even the GOP says it is creating jobs, and they number them.

Sorry you think that is "pointless" to bring up

[SOREHOOF]

I officially credit the "stimulus" with creating one job in particular.....
http://www.brownforussenate.com/
And for that I AM HAPPY!

[AeWingnut]

the stimulus money will be used for bribes

[SOREHOOF]

Democrat re-election slush fund.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I keep doing the math

200 million jobs cost $756 billion

hell we could all have 3.78 billion dollars

oh wait that only saved jobs

If my job was saved for 2 weeks before I lost it, was it a saved job? Was it counted twice as a saved job? Am I still out of work? Are my children just as hungry? Does anybody really know what time it is?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Joey said the stimulus didn't create one job. Even the GOP says it is creating jobs, and they number them.

Sorry you think that is "pointless" to bring up

So now Joey is responsible for all those darn hypocritical congressmen?

For $800 billion dollars one would assume that a few jobs were created. The question was and is now, is this money being spent in the most pragmatic way to benefit the economy as a whole which will ultimately benefit all? If you answer yes you are hopeless. If you answer no, you are almost assuredly correct but still are guessing.

[Riot]

So now Joey is responsible for all those darn hypocritical congressmen?

Earth to Chuck ...


... never mind.

[SOREHOOF]

Scamulus.