First call to impeach Obama, depending on what he does...

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

hearsay...no video....drudge had a link yesterday.

it really shouldnt surprise you!

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

members of Congress lied.....there's a shocker!

come on now Timmi... its quite known that a lot of extreme Righties arent big fans of gays / blacks / women.

Please note the word extreme.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Look..I will move from this country when I retire because I hate what people like you have done to it. I respect everything you did in our military, as I respected what my Dad did in 3 years of service in WW2 in Europe.

Do I think he's doing an "awesome" job..no..there are a lot of things I don't agree with. But I save my hatred for those that deserve it..Hitler, Bin Laden, Child Molesters, etc. I will not "hate" a President because I disagree with his policies, let alone choose a stupid name and ridicule him on some horse board. I disliked Bush and thought many things he did tower over anything that Obama has done in terms of harming our country, but nothing would motivate me to forget my objectivity and just hate. You really think an excessive budget and a health care plan you don't like is worth this? This country went to war with Iraq because Bush either lied or was lied to..why don't you rail on the government taking over our lives about that? Get some perspective Jerry...there is an entire country and a much bigger World that will keep spinning and functioning no matter how big a bunker you dig and how many nifty nicknames you can find on www.insultourpresidentidontlike.com

Im still waiting on these so called weapons of mass destruction to be found. Was this not one of the reasons why Bush invaded Iraq? It is my hope that this great country of ours wakes up and starts getting rid of the trash that we have as elected officials. Going against the will of the American people is a big no-no in my book. Im going to laugh when the abortion amendment gets forgotten about.

Here are three reasons why I am against this health care bill:

1. Taxpayers should not have to pay for a lady to have an abortion unless it is medically necessary

2. If a person is able to work but doesnt want to get up off thier worthless ass to look for a job why should they get a free ride.

3. Are the people who are illegally here going to get this insurance. They dont pay taxes they dont deserve it. The only thing the deserve is a one way ticket out of this country. Im sure they would try to illegally enter the country again. If they do that put them in a jail cell.

Not every politician is perfect, this appleis to Republicans, Independent, and Democrats. When was the last time a political party went against the will of the American public? Shouldnt our President be more worried about the economy and the unemployment. Is this health reform bill going to create more jobs and help out our economy. More than likely our economy will go more into debt. The Democratic party will be feeling the wrath of the American public comes this November. This bill barely passed, whats going to happen when these Democrats gets voted out of office. I know when I vote in November all I have to hit is one button.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Im still waiting on these so called weapons of mass destruction to be found. Was this not one of the reasons why Bush invaded Iraq? It is my hope that this great country of ours wakes up and starts getting rid of the trash that we have as elected officials. Going against the will of the American people is a big no-no in my book. Im going to laugh when the abortion amendment gets forgotten about.

Here are three reasons why I am against this health care bill:

1. Taxpayers should not have to pay for a lady to have an abortion unless it is medically necessary

2. If a person is able to work but doesnt want to get up off thier worthless ass to look for a job why should they get a free ride.

3. Are the people who are illegally here going to get this insurance. They dont pay taxes they dont deserve it. The only thing the deserve is a one way ticket out of this country. Im sure they would try to illegally enter the country again. If they do that put them in a jail cell.

Not every politician is perfect, this appleis to Republicans, Independent, and Democrats. When was the last time a political party went against the will of the American public? Shouldnt our President be more worried about the economy and the unemployment. Is this health reform bill going to create more jobs and help out our economy. More than likely our economy will go more into debt. The Democratic party will be feeling the wrath of the American public comes this November. This bill barely passed, whats going to happen when these Democrats gets voted out of office. I know when I vote in November all I have to hit is one button.

Everyone has their own reasoning for supporting/not supporting legislation. Your three reasons are what has gotten attention but are really just blips on the radar screen. This is a trillion dollar entitlement that raises taxes, will put the country further in debt, will drive all but the largest insurance comapnies out of business, will decrease the quality of healthcare across the board and further broaden govt intrusion into our lives. They have lied to the public about what is in the bill, they have fudged the numbers, they have bribed their own party members to get it passed and were forced to use tricks like reconcilliation to get this thing passed. All the liberals are taking their victory laps today but in November a lot of them will pay with their heads and as this disastrous bill gets rolling along wiping out an entire industry and taking more of our money out of our pockets it will serve to damage the economy further. And one party is going to be blamed. So if you are a Dem or Lib remember that your happiness today may be a distant memory unless Congress hits it out of the park. And seriously when was the last time they got it right???

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Everyone has their own reasoning for supporting/not supporting legislation. Your three reasons are what has gotten attention but are really just blips on the radar screen. This is a trillion dollar entitlement that raises taxes, will put the country further in debt, will drive all but the largest insurance comapnies out of business, will decrease the quality of healthcare across the board and further broaden govt intrusion into our lives. They have lied to the public about what is in the bill, they have fudged the numbers, they have bribed their own party members to get it passed and were forced to use tricks like reconcilliation to get this thing passed. All the liberals are taking their victory laps today but in November a lot of them will pay with their heads and as this disastrous bill gets rolling along wiping out an entire industry and taking more of our money out of our pockets it will serve to damage the economy further. And one party is going to be blamed. So if you are a Dem or Lib remember that your happiness today may be a distant memory unless Congress hits it out of the park. And seriously when was the last time they got it right???

You hit it right on the money my friend. I dont remember when the last time it was right. Maybe it will get right some time in our lifetime. Im not going to hold my breath though. Im sure the Democrats are taking thier victory lap right now. Come November hopefully it will a lap out of thier office.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

2. If a person is able to work but doesnt want to get up off thier worthless ass to look for a job why should they get a free ride.

3. Are the people who are illegally here going to get this insurance. They dont pay taxes they dont deserve it. The only thing the deserve is a one way ticket out of this country. Im sure they would try to illegally enter the country again. If they do that put them in a jail cell.

Not every politician is perfect, this appleis to Republicans, Independent, and Democrats. When was the last time a political party went against the will of the American public?

-Do you really think the only people who are without health care are the worthless people you're describing? Be great if that were true. Tons of self employed people can't afford it. Many people with multiple jobs aren't offered it, and can't afford it.

-You're 100% correct on the illegals (it's one of the few things Conservatives get correct.)

-The American people voted about 53.4% for a guy who said he was going to do even more than this on health care. The will of the people was measured. We had the official poll. Health care was the #1 issue for many people in that election. It was for me. I want a civilized country where people get treated for major diseases before it's too late (even poor people.) Maybe you're right, and people didn't realize what they were voting on. That's called ignorant. What you don't understand is (to most of his voters) this issue was prime. If he loses control of the Congress (in November,) and just holds the ball for 2 years, then it's fine with me. At least he didn't lie about getting this done. Even though he's a liar, brotha actually earned the fiddy I gave him. Bush got his tax break for the rich done. Then, he got into expensive wars. He should of put the money into actually keeping bad people the hell out of here, but he wanted to play cowboys n' indians (that didn't improve most Americans' standard of living.)

[Antitrust32]

^^ I like that writing method SCUDS, its almost like Paragraphs.. keep it up!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

^^ I like that writing method SCUDS, its almost like Paragraphs.. keep it up!

Again..form stuff.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

-Do you really think the only people who are without health care are the worthless people you're describing? Be great if that were true. Tons of self employed people can't afford it. Many people with multiple jobs aren't offered it, and can't afford it.

-You're 100% correct on the illegals (it's one of the few things Conservatives get correct.)

-The American people voted about 53.4% for a guy who said he was going to do even more than this on health care. The will of the people was measured. We had the official poll. Health care was the #1 issue for many people in that election. It was for me. I want a civilized country where people get treated for major diseases before it's too late (even poor people.) Maybe you're right, and people didn't realize what they were voting on. That's called ignorant. What you don't understand is (to most of his voters) this issue was prime. If he loses control of the Congress (in November,) and just holds the ball for 2 years, then it's fine with me. At least he didn't lie about getting this done. Even though he's a liar, brotha actually earned the fiddy I gave him. Bush got his tax break for the rich done. Then, he got into expensive wars. He should of put the money into actually keeping bad people the hell out of here, but he wanted to play cowboys n' indians (that didn't improve most Americans' standard of living.)

i don't know if this is 100 % correct

mccain trailed obama until the republican convention in aug

after picking sarah and after the convention , mccain was ahead in the polls

she pushed him into the lead , a lead he kept until , the middle of sept whne the entir financial world almost melted down. after that they never got back in the lead in the polls , the people blamed the incumbent fot the financial disaster in sept and obama jogged into office from there

if the middle of sept didn't happen until after the election , there was no guarantee that obama would have made it

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Again..form stuff.

now that this bill has passed.. i'm trying to be hopeful that it will help the health care situation.. the thing is i've never seen any efficiency from the government no matter what party is in charge so it makes me very doubtful.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Again..form stuff.

more important though, are you ready for baseball season!!!???

[Nascar1966]

[quote=SCUDSBROTHER]-Do you really think the only people who are without health care are the worthless people you're describing? Be great if that were true. Tons of self employed people can't afford it. Many people with multiple jobs aren't offered it, and can't afford it.

No I dont. Im sure thier are people who cant get insurance because of preexisting conditions. These people my heart goes out to them.

[brianwspencer]

Stupak got his "Defender of Life" awards revoked....how sad.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Stupak got his "Defender of Life" awards revoked....how sad.

Gotta dance with the one that brung ya!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Gotta dance with the one that brung ya!

Just think it's funny that after all that grandstanding for six months, and all of the very conditional support of various "pro-life" groups, he caved in for an Executive Order that does absolutely nothing to give him what he was claiming he was standing for this whole time and that changes nothing....and all the "pro-lifers" hate him.

Oops.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

actually it does. at least in terms of what i think of you.

you have to understand that someone that had his head fractured because he walked with mlk getting called a "n igger" by some ignorant ass hole matters.

Especially when it happens at or within the halls of Congress.

Strangely, the American citizens who have the very great freedom to throw down that crap are the ones that should have the greatest respect for where they choose to shiat in public.

[Riot]

No I dont. Im sure thier are people who cant get insurance because of preexisting conditions. These people my heart goes out to them.

Not any more. Healthcare reform bill just passed that fixed that.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Just think it's funny that after all that grandstanding for six months, and all of the very conditional support of various "pro-life" groups, he caved in for an Executive Order that does absolutely nothing to give him what he was claiming he was standing for this whole time and that changes nothing....and all the "pro-lifers" hate him.

Oops.

Stupak isn't a fool. He knew what he was doing.

He can cave, because he knows longstanding Federal law already strictly prohibits any federal money whatsoever being used for abortion funding. And he knows that this healthcare bill doesn't change, nor did it threaten to change, any of that.

Stupak is a great grandstander. He was trying, however, very seriously, through this diversion regarding the healthcare bill amendment he wanted, to get (via that amendment) tougher abortion restrictions into this country than our law allows, via this bill, by backdooring "Roe vs Wade", and he failed.

Thus accepting the Executive Order means nothing, it's just for show. He didn't get what he really wanted - to circumvent Roe v. Wade and increase restrictions on abortions by making them very difficult to get whether insured or not - anyway.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Riot

Stupak isn't a fool. He knew what he was doing.

He can cave, because he knows longstanding Federal law already strictly prohibits any federal money whatsoever being used for abortion funding. And he knows that this healthcare bill doesn't change, nor did it threaten to change, any of that.

Stupak is a great grandstander. He was trying, however, very seriously, through this diversion regarding the healthcare bill amendment he wanted, to get (via that amendment) tougher abortion restrictions into this country than our law allows, via this bill, by backdooring "Roe vs Wade", and he failed.

Thus accepting the Executive Order means nothing, it's just for show. He didn't get what he really wanted - to circumvent Roe v. Wade and increase restrictions on abortions by making them very difficult to get whether insured or not - anyway.

Exactly. Nothing changed, except that "pro-lifers" were salivating about having someone grandstand for their cause...and then when he actually just maintained the status quo, they called him "baby killer," rescinded his award, and are shaming him now. They never cared about him or his "principled" stand -- it was all about scoring cheap points.

And hilariously enough, everyone who was paying any attention knew that the healthcare bill would never have changed the Hyde Amendnent, but what he was trying to do was go even further and make it so that any plans even remotely touched by government subsidies couldn't provide funds...essentially restricting it even further than it already is in lots of states.

So he's back to a baby killer, but at least he's a household name now for those paying attention -- not sure that either helps him, but I know I'd donate to a progressive challenger for his seat.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

No I dont. Im sure thier are people who cant get insurance because of preexisting conditions. These people my heart goes out to them.

It's "there" and "their", not "thier". Simple grammatical errors do not help when you are arguing for your side.

Let me tell you a little story about a guy. Had a great job, made good money, good health insurance. Unfortunately, said job was in a different city than his wife, so eventually he decides living with his spouse and making less money means more than the alternative. Additionally, new city doesn't have a whole lot of opportunity for employment in his field, but he does find work. Health insurance? Nope. OK, no big deal, he can pay a substantial premium to get on his wife's plan. Going without is NOT an option, as said individual has had diabetes since a child, which requires expensive prescriptions and occasional specialist visits. Obviously he knows how to handle his illness and avoids wasteful trips to the doctor or specialist. Wife's insurance carrier responds with their quote, and the price's a doozy... but most importantly, NO COVERAGE FOR PRE-EXISTING DIABETIC CONDITION FOR 36 MONTHS. So the precise reason the individual bit the bullet and paid an overpriced premium is swept out the door because the insurance company has the right to deny coverage of the very issue that NEEDS coverage. How, pray tell, is that fair practice by the insurance carrier? You do realize that by arguing so strongly against healthcare reform you support insurance companies with skyrocketing profits that will sweep you away like a piece of stinky poo if they feel like your situation has a negative impact to their bottom line?

I urge all of you, before jumping to extreme conclusions like proposing impeachment of the President for taking measures to push the bill through, to read the below unbiased, no spin timeline. I for one believe the bill could be much better and has been forced/rushed through but overall it does contain measures which benefit the American society as a whole. Middle class Americans will not be affected tax-wise. Those damn commie illegals you all are crying about will have not gained a cent of benefit from this... but I'm sure you already knew that in your strong fact finding missions.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62L2CT20100322