First call to impeach Obama, depending on what he does...

[philcski]

Just to be clear, I rarely if ever post in politics because quite frankly I don't give a fuc|<. 99% of the time a new legislation occurs, it has little to no impact on my life. Starting flame wars about things out of your control just raises the blood pressure level unnecessarily. This bill, however, has a chance to impact me positively and clearly has been misunderstood which is why I felt compelled to reply.

[brianwspencer]

What don't you like about the bill? Everything.

Ok, but what specifically don't you like? The government.

Ok, so what about the bill do you not like? I don't know, Obama likes it so it must be bad and it must be socialism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pilG7PCV448

[brianwspencer]

But in all seriousness, I'm pissed because the LGBT provisions in the House version weren't passed along with this -- meaning that the premiums and employer pays for domestic partner insurance are considered income for the providing partner, leaving, depending on the plan, an income tax hit of several thousand dollars for the pair of them for the same exact coverage that a heterosexual spouse wouldn't have to pay on those premiums...it would just be the premiums. So they're *still* looking at a husband/wife duo paying additional premiums of, say, $100/mo vs. domestic partners paying a premium of $100/mo PLUS income tax on some $400 or so/mo. Nobody in the regular middle class can afford an extra $2K tax hit at the end of the year.

So backwards...and seems like it shouldn't be tough to fix, really, but it still is, leaving people to pay higher premiums for insurance plans that cover less, don't cover regular preventative check-ups, and really only function as catastrophic insurance if you're lucky, for somewhere around double the premium a partner could offer if the differential weren't taxed as income.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by philcski

Those damn commie illegals you all are crying about will have not gained a cent of benefit from this... but I'm sure you already knew that in your strong fact finding missions.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62L2CT20100322

They are still gunna be going to E.R. We need to faze this illegal immigrant sht out. Bunch of fkn bullsht. We've done our part. 25% of people in Cali don't have health care. We don't need anymore poor people that are addicted to having big families. We've tried it. It's a definite negative. Don't have to study up on it anymore. Results are in, and it's a loser.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by philcski

It's "there" and "their", not "thier". Simple grammatical errors do not help when you are arguing for your side.

Let me tell you a little story about a guy. Had a great job, made good money, good health insurance. Unfortunately, said job was in a different city than his wife, so eventually he decides living with his spouse and making less money means more than the alternative. Additionally, new city doesn't have a whole lot of opportunity for employment in his field, but he does find work. Health insurance? Nope. OK, no big deal, he can pay a substantial premium to get on his wife's plan. Going without is NOT an option, as said individual has had diabetes since a child, which requires expensive prescriptions and occasional specialist visits. Obviously he knows how to handle his illness and avoids wasteful trips to the doctor or specialist. Wife's insurance carrier responds with their quote, and the price's a doozy... but most importantly, NO COVERAGE FOR PRE-EXISTING DIABETIC CONDITION FOR 36 MONTHS. So the precise reason the individual bit the bullet and paid an overpriced premium is swept out the door because the insurance company has the right to deny coverage of the very issue that NEEDS coverage. How, pray tell, is that fair practice by the insurance carrier? You do realize that by arguing so strongly against healthcare reform you support insurance companies with skyrocketing profits that will sweep you away like a piece of stinky poo if they feel like your situation has a negative impact to their bottom line?

I urge all of you, before jumping to extreme conclusions like proposing impeachment of the President for taking measures to push the bill through, to read the below unbiased, no spin timeline. I for one believe the bill could be much better and has been forced/rushed through but overall it does contain measures which benefit the American society as a whole. Middle class Americans will not be affected tax-wise. Those damn commie illegals you all are crying about will have not gained a cent of benefit from this... but I'm sure you already knew that in your strong fact finding missions.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62L2CT20100322

My bust on the grammer error. Not all of us have a Master's Degree like you. I hope this bill gets blown to pieces some how. Im betting because O'Dumbass has the numbers on his side he will get his wish on this bill and he can sleep better knowing he is going to ruin this country's economy even more. I feel for your friend with the diabetes im going through the same thing. Novolog three times a day and Lantus twice a day and Metformim twice a day. I am thankful that my insurance is awesome to have. Twenty years in the military actually paid off for something. Just curious what is your view on the abortion clause? My belief is that the taxpayer's money shouldn't be used for abortions. The only exception should be if the woman was raped or medically neccesary to have it done. If this clause does stay in this health care bill O'Dumbass has LIED AGAIN. Now thats a big suprise. I hope the Democrats enjoy the numbers while they have them hopefully when November arrives the wrath of the American public will be taken out on the Democrats. Hopefully Pelosi and Reid and Stupak are the first one's out of the door. I will also want to laugh in Stupak's face if O'Dumbass doesn't put the abortion clause in the bill.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

My bust on the grammer error. Not all of us have a Master's Degree like you. I hope this bill gets blown to pieces some how. Im betting because O'Dumbass has the numbers on his side he will get his wish on this bill and he can sleep better knowing he is going to ruin this country's economy even more. I feel for your friend with the diabetes im going through the same thing. Novolog three times a day and Lantus twice a day and Metformim twice a day. I am thankful that my insurance is awesome to have. Twenty years in the military actually paid off for something. Just curious what is your view on the abortion clause? My belief is that the taxpayer's money shouldn't be used for abortions. The only exception should be if the woman was raped or medically neccesary to have it done. If this clause does stay in this health care bill O'Dumbass has LIED AGAIN. Now thats a big suprise. I hope the Democrats enjoy the numbers while they have them hopefully when November arrives the wrath of the American public will be taken out on the Democrats. Hopefully Pelosi and Reid and Stupak are the first one's out of the door. I will also want to laugh in Stupak's face if O'Dumbass doesn't put the abortion clause in the bill.

Nascar-

I trust that with the keen comprehension skills that you have shown in this thread, you have a thorough grasp as to exactly what that health insurance bill contains.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Nascar-

I trust that with the keen comprehension skills that you have shown in this thread, you have a thorough grasp as to exactly what that health insurance bill contains.

i'm sure every senator and congress person does as well , i'm sure they can recite all 2,400 pages

[Cannon Shell]

Many people who oppose this bill arent opposed to health care reform in general, just many facets of the bill and the pie in the sky scheme to pay for it.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Many people who oppose this bill arent opposed to health care reform in general, just many facets of the bill and the pie in the sky scheme to pay for it.

amen chuck

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

My bust on the grammer error. Not all of us have a Master's Degree like you. I hope this bill gets blown to pieces some how. Im betting because O'Dumbass has the numbers on his side he will get his wish on this bill and he can sleep better knowing he is going to ruin this country's economy even more. I feel for your friend with the diabetes im going through the same thing. Novolog three times a day and Lantus twice a day and Metformim twice a day. I am thankful that my insurance is awesome to have. Twenty years in the military actually paid off for something. Just curious what is your view on the abortion clause? My belief is that the taxpayer's money shouldn't be used for abortions. The only exception should be if the woman was raped or medically neccesary to have it done. If this clause does stay in this health care bill O'Dumbass has LIED AGAIN. Now thats a big suprise. I hope the Democrats enjoy the numbers while they have them hopefully when November arrives the wrath of the American public will be taken out on the Democrats. Hopefully Pelosi and Reid and Stupak are the first one's out of the door. I will also want to laugh in Stupak's face if O'Dumbass doesn't put the abortion clause in the bill.

The person I was referring to was me. And trust me, I feel for you on the diabetes meds because I'm on a similar program.

Since you already have great coverage (which you should for your service to the country), this bill doesn't affect you at all which is why I don't understand the vitriol if you read through the points on the no-spin website (Reuters) that I posted.

I do not agree with the abortion clause. I'm certainly pro-choice but if you want to do it for non-medical reasons, I agree with you- it should be paid in cash.

It remains to be seen whether the proposed funding approach works. I don't believe it will, which is why I said before I don't think this bill is necessarily the right one, but clearly something needs to be done- and our elected officials have decided they don't want to play nice with each other to the detriment of the American public, as usual.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

just post the video.

i'd love to see it.

it's actually entertaining for me to to "debate" with you.

i don't mean for anyone else. they tuned out 2 pages ago. but personally i like presenting you as a republican punching bag. and throwing nascar in as road kill.

say something else.

please.

http://www.redstate.com/martin_a_kni...on-and-a-liar/

[Riot]

Nascar:

Hyde Amendment

Hyde Amendment

Hyde Amendment

Please go read posts 118 & 119. Your worries about abortion and federal funding of any sort, including this health reform bill, are completely misplaced. The law of the land is that zero federal funding can be used for abortion. That remains the law of the land.

That said, I can't wait to purchase insurance via the high risk pool - thank you, President Obama and the Dems!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

But in all seriousness, I'm pissed because the LGBT provisions in the House version weren't passed along with this

What was passed (Senate version) really isn't much "reform", and everyone really knows that. However, like Medicare, like Civil Rights, now that there is a base law, specific amendments will be easy to get. Hang in there, maybe this gave the Dems some guts

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Many people who oppose this bill arent opposed to health care reform in general, just many facets of the bill and the pie in the sky scheme to pay for it.

You had 8 years, and all that was suggested is health care savings accounts, and tort reform. Now you've added buying insurance across state lines. It isn't enough.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Many people who oppose this bill arent opposed to health care reform in general, just many facets of the bill and the pie in the sky scheme to pay for it.

Thank you for relaying my thoughts on this bill. At least someone agrees with my view on this bill.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by philcski

Just to be clear, I rarely if ever post in politics because quite frankly I don't give a fuc|<. 99% of the time a new legislation occurs, it has little to no impact on my life. Starting flame wars about things out of your control just raises the blood pressure level unnecessarily. This bill, however, has a chance to impact me positively and clearly has been misunderstood which is why I felt compelled to reply.

I commend you on expressing your opinion.

[GenuineRisk]

NASCAR, I'm a bit confused as to what, exactly your health coverage is- are you saying that, because of your military service, you are getting veteran's benefits? If you are, great; as it's generally considered some of the best health care in the country. And it's a government program.

This is what I don't understand about this debate- so many of the people who are so angry about the reform, and making comments about government takeovers, government interference, etc., have spent a large portion of their working life as government employees or are currently on government programs. And I'm truly not trying to pick on NASCAR; my uncle, who is a big proponent of whatever Rush tells him to think, was Navy and then a state trooper- he was a government employee his entire working career. And he lives on his government pension and government-provided health care. Of all the calls I heard during the 10 hours I watched C-SPAN on Sunday, the one that most stuck out to me was a guy yelling about how the government can't run anything- not the post office, not Social Security, not anything. His health plan? Medicare, as is his wife's. A friend's brother, screaming about "Obamacare," is married to a woman on permanent disability, paid for by the government, and their kids are on Medicaid with her. For that matter, so many right-wing people live in states that get more in federal money than they pay in. Most of the "red" states are living off the largess of the blue ones. (Texas being an exception, but Texas is geographically lucky in oil)

And I'm not resentful about any of these things- I think military should be taken care of when their service is over; I think the elderly should have a safety net and I think good governing means looking out for those of us in areas that aren't doing as well as others. But I don't understand why so many of those who have already received or are receiving money or services from government programs get so up in arms when it's suggested that maybe others who are struggling should have an opportunity to benefit, too. I really just don't understand it. It seems like the ultimate in "I got mine; **** the rest of you all."

As a screaming liberal, I think this is not a good bill. But it's much better than the status quo, and it's a baby step in the right direction.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You had 8 years, and all that was suggested is health care savings accounts, and tort reform. Now you've added buying insurance across state lines. It isn't enough.

If i had 8 years i would invade turkey and make you PM.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Riot

What was passed (Senate version) really isn't much "reform", and everyone really knows that. However, like Medicare, like Civil Rights, now that there is a base law, specific amendments will be easy to get. Hang in there, maybe this gave the Dems some guts

This is what I hope. Though something like a tax penalty like that could be done at any time without a healthcare bill as a basic matter of fairness, because it isn't even exactly a healthcare issue...it's a tax issue that only levies taxes on certain people for the exact same product that their coworkers don't get taxed on.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

This is what I hope. Though something like a tax penalty like that could be done at any time without a healthcare bill as a basic matter of fairness, because it isn't even exactly a healthcare issue...it's a tax issue that only levies taxes on certain people for the exact same product that their coworkers don't get taxed on.

What do you think about Virginia repealing equality for gays wherever they could?

Un - freekin' - believable. I thought this was America.