Decent Group, Return of Nicanor- Thursday Keeneland

[RockHardTen1985]

7th (4:05)

1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Allowance | Purse: $58,000

Prg. # PP Horse Jockey Trainer Wt. Claim $ Equip. Med. ML
1 1 Riviera Cocktail Albarado R J Drysdale Neil 118 L 3-1
2 2 Unbridle's Dream Bridgmohan S X Asmussen Steven M 118 LA 12-1
3 3 Rock in Bage (BRZ) Velazquez J R McLaughlin Kiaran P 118 LA 12-1
4 4 Doctor Brasch Theriot H J II Calhoun W. B 120 LA 20-1
5 5 A. P. Ridge Maragh R Sheppard Jonathan E 118 L 20-1
6 6 Au Moon Mena M Carroll David 118 LA 20-1
7 7 Nicanor Leparoux J R Matz Michael R 118 Blk-Off LA 5-2
8 8 Grassy Gomez G K Clement Christophe 118 L 3-1
9 9 El Crespo Castellano J J Arnold George R II 118 LA 10-1
10 10 Conservative Garcia Alan McGaughey III C R 118 L 10-1
11 11 Empty Handed Alvarado J Dickey Keith 118 Blk-On LA 12-1

[philcski]

I'm interested in this race:
8TH (4:35)

7 Furlongs (All Weather Track) | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Allowance | Purse: $54,000

Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med.
1 Fort Apache Star Mojica O 118 LA
2 Commandeered Velazquez J R 118 LA
3 Leavenworth Gomez G K 118 LA
4 More Than Willing Albarado R J 118 LA
5 Bimini Castellano J J 118 L
6 Cognito Leparoux J R 118 LA
7 Chapel of Love Rose J 118 LA
8 Causin' Havoc Alvarado J 118 LA
9 Colonel Klink Rodriguez D 118 L
10 Capt Obvious Torres F C 118 LA

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by philcski

I'm interested in this race:
8TH (4:35)

7 Furlongs (All Weather Track) | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Allowance | Purse: $54,000

Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med.
1 Fort Apache Star Mojica O 118 LA
2 Commandeered Velazquez J R 118 LA
3 Leavenworth Gomez G K 118 LA
4 More Than Willing Albarado R J 118 LA
5 Bimini Castellano J J 118 L
6 Cognito Leparoux J R 118 LA
7 Chapel of Love Rose J 118 LA
8 Causin' Havoc Alvarado J 118 LA
9 Colonel Klink Rodriguez D 118 L
10 Capt Obvious Torres F C 118 LA

Good Luck Chuckles

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by philcski

I'm interested in this race:
8TH (4:35)

7 Furlongs (All Weather Track) | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Allowance | Purse: $54,000

Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med.
1 Fort Apache Star Mojica O 118 LA
2 Commandeered Velazquez J R 118 LA
3 Leavenworth Gomez G K 118 LA
4 More Than Willing Albarado R J 118 LA
5 Bimini Castellano J J 118 L
6 Cognito Leparoux J R 118 LA
7 Chapel of Love Rose J 118 LA
8 Causin' Havoc Alvarado J 118 LA
9 Colonel Klink Rodriguez D 118 L
10 Capt Obvious Torres F C 118 LA

We had to stop for gas somewhere on the way back to Arlington

[philcski]

Originally Posted by GBBob

We had to stop for gas somewhere on the way back to Arlington

Hopefully can pick up some gas money on the way... tough group but certainly not impossible

[3kings]

Originally Posted by GBBob

We had to stop for gas somewhere on the way back to Arlington

Good luck tomorrow guys.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by philcski

Hopefully can pick up some gas money on the way... tough group but certainly not impossible

You know what Klink is all about..Illinois bred $$...But he needs a race and the distance is right so it makes sense. Gas money would be great, a healthy finish needed and it will be a fun summer here with him.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by GBBob

You know what Klink is all about..Illinois bred $$...But he needs a race and the distance is right so it makes sense. Gas money would be great, a healthy finish needed and it will be a fun summer here with him.

Bob,
Was he banged up in that race @ TB in Feb. or just freshened?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Bob,
Was he banged up in that race @ TB in Feb. or just freshened?

He's just not quick enough to run in those 5F Turf Sprints..plus the layoff and I think he likes artificial surfaces still vs grass. He's fine though, to answer your question.

[Gate Dancer]

I only hope I can get 3-1 on Riviera Cocktail.................$$$$$$

[randallscott35]

Nicanor money burning 6/5.....Man I wish Lentenor was going in the Derby.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Nicanor money burning 6/5.....Man I wish Lentenor was going in the Derby.

He was an underlay for sure but the winner was tough to have.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

He was an underlay for sure but the winner was tough to have.

Didn't bet the race. Agree about the winner but the Barbaro clan just gets bet no matter what.

[Merlinsky]

So he was 5th but 2 lengths behind the winner? Gotta love turf races and how you can be several positions back within just a length. Wasn't one of his attempts to break his maiden a loss to Custom for Carlos? If memory serves, Nic likes to be up front. I realize the family can route all day, but is a turf sprint a bad tune up? Does he just not have enough kick to do that? I guess they want to get him good and tired going long, but there was that thing we talked about before with bringing a horse back in a sprint and how it's less common but viable.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

So he was 5th but 2 lengths behind the winner? Gotta love turf races and how you can be several positions back within just a length. Wasn't one of his attempts to break his maiden a loss to Custom for Carlos? If memory serves, Nic likes to be up front. I realize the family can route all day, but is a turf sprint a bad tune up? Does he just not have enough kick to do that? I guess they want to get him good and tired going long, but there was that thing we talked about before with bringing a horse back in a sprint and how it's less common but viable.

Maybe he needed the race. Or he's just not that good. He was right up on the pace and the other horse stayed on just fine. Nicanor's a nice enough horse but I don't think he's stakes quality. I doubt they would've taken him to Delaware if they thought he was.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Maybe he needed the race. Or he's just not that good. He was right up on the pace and the other horse stayed on just fine. Nicanor's a nice enough horse but I don't think he's stakes quality. I doubt they would've taken him to Delaware if they thought he was.

When does Matz every have a horse dead fit off the layoff. I always play against his horses off the layoff.

But maybe this is like speed holding on the lawn at Keeneland. Another thing I believe that isn't true

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Scav

When does Matz every have a horse dead fit off the layoff. I always play against his horses off the layoff.

But maybe this is like speed holding on the lawn at Keeneland. Another thing I believe that isn't true

Every move they've made with Nicanor says they don't think he's much. And if that's the case, he hasn't proven them wrong yet.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Every move they've made with Nicanor says they don't think he's much. And if that's the case, he hasn't proven them wrong yet.

Except that they pointed him to the Virginia Derby before he got hurt. What are they supposed to do? Put him in a graded stakes route off a layoff? Why not at Delaware? I assume Matz still takes a string there. If only for convenience just run him in his backyard where he broke his maiden. Might as well, and it worked well enough the first time.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

Except that they pointed him to the Virginia Derby before he got hurt. What are they supposed to do? Put him in a graded stakes route off a layoff? Why not at Delaware? I assume Matz still takes a string there. If only for convenience just run him in his backyard where he broke his maiden. Might as well, and it worked well enough the first time.

C'mon. He ran a few nice races on dirt and they ditched that perplexingly quickly. Then instead of sending him to NY or Kentucky to try him against decent turf horses, they kept him at Delaware to beat up on slugs. I don't remember them campaigning Barbaro based on "backyard convenience" and "might as well" races. They've treated Nicanor like a good horse who doesn't have anything he's great at, and that's what he is. He had no excuse yesterday from a trip standpoint, and I don't buy that he was short either. He had 31 furlongs of works in him the last six weeks and a pair of bullet five-furlong works. What more could Matz have done to have him ready?

[prudery]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

C'mon.
What more could Matz have done to have him ready?

Exactly what he did--race him ...

Matz put him in a good spot off the layoff and the horse ran well until he tired at the wire .

No amount of works is a substitute for racing--and we do not have barrier trials in this country .

The horse is also a bit of a head case, and he ran hollow and upheaded .

I like Napravnik on him better than Leparoux also .

No one thinks he is Barbaro's shadow, but he is a quality individual with a few kinks .

I think he is better than you think, but no world beater .