why is so much money bet in on cali

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

east coast tracks bel.aq ect do ok when talking about the play in the pick 6
but sa gets such a huge boost in the pick 6 pools why is that .i dont get the attraction the racing is not as good as a whole.so why do the pools get pounded..it takes gulftream 6 carrys aq 2/3 to get what sa would get in 1 day..? must be zenyatta

[ateamstupid]

I've always wondered this too. One-day west coast carryovers seem to be $50k+ year round, while NY routinely gets only $15k-$30k and Kentucky and Florida never get anything.

[Indian Charlie]

Maybe because the p6 originated in CA?

That's not a really good explanation, but that's the only thing I have been ever able to come up with.

[Rootdog1]

time of day. No one on west coast plays east coast racing cause its too early. West coast racing is perfect as it starts when people on the east are ending their workday.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

that makes some sence, the time of day but mountneer is at night and it gets nothing..thou the racing is the same.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

east coast tracks bel.aq ect do ok when talking about the play in the pick 6
but sa gets such a huge boost in the pick 6 pools why is that .i dont get the attraction the racing is not as good as a whole.so why do the pools get pounded..it takes gulftream 6 carrys aq 2/3 to get what sa would get in 1 day..? must be zenyatta

Matt...couple of reasons:

IMO, the lure of taking the risk and hitting the big one, goes hand in hand with the lifestyle of Southern CA. Sort of that "free spirited" west coast attitude. Showing up to tinsel town and making your mark. The bet is relatively new, and provides the hope, for some, of a life changing score. Most people's grandparents and generations beyond were living in the east or midwest. I would assume that the more traditonal values were inherited by those who still live in these areas.

There are 10 to 15 groups, that I know of (probably more) between LA and Las Vegas that get heavily involved in this wager. Especially if there is a carryover that reaches a 3rd day. Tickets can go north of 15k. It makes you think whether or not it makes sense to play when there is a carryover.

The third reason is that the Southern Cal tracks do a phenomonial job of marketing carryovers. They really blitz the different media outlets when there there is a carry. Similar to that of powerball or mega millions.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Matt...couple of reasons:

IMO, the lure of taking the risk and hitting the big one, goes hand in hand with the lifestyle of Southern CA. Sort of that "free spirited" west coast attitude. Showing up to tinsel town and making your mark. The bet is relatively new, and provides the hope, for some, of a life changing score. Most people's grandparents and generations beyond were living in the east or midwest. I would assume that the more traditonal values were inherited by those who still live in these areas.

There are 10 to 15 groups, that I know of (probably more) between LA and Las Vegas that get heavily involved in this wager. Especially if there is a carryover that reaches a 3rd day. Tickets can go north of 15k. It makes you think whether or not it makes sense to play when there is a carryover.

The third reason is that the Southern Cal tracks do a phenomonial job of marketing carryovers. They really blitz the different media outlets when there there is a carry. Similar to that of powerball or mega millions.

thats what i was wondering thank you ..

[dagolfer33]

I thought TVG took credit for all those large pools.

[santana]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

I thought TVG took credit for all those large pools.

The pick 6 in California was big Before TVG was even thought of.

[NTamm1215]

The multi-race exotics in CA handle more than anywhere else (specifically Pick 6 and Pick 4) but the intra-race exotics in NY usually handle more than CA when they have comparable fields. The exacta pools in NY are huge and the early double usually handles about 2-3 times as much in NY as it does in CA each day.

NT

[cloud_break]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The multi-race exotics in CA handle more than anywhere else (specifically Pick 6 and Pick 4) but the intra-race exotics in NY usually handle more than CA when they have comparable fields. The exacta pools in NY are huge and the early double usually handles about 2-3 times as much in NY as it does in CA each day.

NT

I've always thought that was the reason. The constant short fields force the exotic player into multi-race pools in California.

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by santana

The pick 6 in California was big Before TVG was even thought of.

I said, took credit.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by cloud_break

I've always thought that was the reason. The constant short fields force the exotic player into multi-race pools in California.

That's not the reason. The pick 6 has been huge in CA since the early 90's. The fields were large throughout the 90's until about '03-'04.

[Stickhorse]

Hammer talked about this very questions a couple Fridays back during his segment with Steve.

Remember Caliente, just across the San Diego border, started the pick six in Mexico many years ago. Then Hollywood brought it to the States. Once the ball started rolling the pick six players stayed with the SoCal circuit.

The handle takeout on the pick 6 also is a factor. Cali is 19.75 most states are higher. NY holds over 25% on carryover days

[SCUDSBROTHER]

It's only because it's the place with the big p6 pools. In other words, once a place is known for having the biggest p6 pool, then it's gunna be tough to get people to make some other track have the highest p6 pool. When people see 500k-1 mil in the p6 pool in SOCAL, they just can't resist. It would be possible to to get people to make the switch, but it would take a big cash investment to prime the pump. If the pools at another track were to rival the amounts at SOCAL, then people would (for sure) make the switch. It would take somebody willing to lose some money (in order to get it started.) It could be done. There would be a certain tipping point.

[Indian Charlie]

I think the large p6 pools in CA are due to there being no Muslims there. Since Islam forbids gambling........

[2Hot4TV]

The players know the pick 6 pool in California is going to have the money where as in NY the players really dont get invloved till they see the money.

All other tracks just dont get the players.

Marketing has little to do with the size. The players already know where to place a bet.

I will say that the NY players do put their money in the exata pools and I have enjoyed the payoffs.

[pba1817]

CA tracks have very little OFF track and off the turf type days, I think this is kills the pK6 in places where weather is a daily factor...

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I think the large p6 pools in CA are due to there being no Muslims there. Since Islam forbids gambling........

what? I know some muslims that play the horses - guess they didn't get the memo

oh wait you were joking

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Matt...couple of reasons:

IMO, the lure of taking the risk and hitting the big one, goes hand in hand with the lifestyle of Southern CA. Sort of that "free spirited" west coast attitude. Showing up to tinsel town and making your mark. The bet is relatively new, and provides the hope, for some, of a life changing score. Most people's grandparents and generations beyond were living in the east or midwest. I would assume that the more traditonal values were inherited by those who still live in these areas.

There are 10 to 15 groups, that I know of (probably more) between LA and Las Vegas that get heavily involved in this wager. Especially if there is a carryover that reaches a 3rd day. Tickets can go north of 15k. It makes you think whether or not it makes sense to play when there is a carryover.

The third reason is that the Southern Cal tracks do a phenomonial job of marketing carryovers. They really blitz the different media outlets when there there is a carry. Similar to that of powerball or mega millions.

I have heard similar before and don't get that thinking at all. I guess if you are hoping to hold the only winning ticket, this would be a logical thought, but why would you not play because of syndicates? Who cares if you have to split some of the massive pool with some of these groups?

The other pick 6 player angle/thought that I just don't get is trying to find the horse that nobody else will have. Somebody out there calls this horse a seperator (I think it's Jon White) because it separates you from many of the other tickets that won't have that horse. Handicapping the other tickets that you think will be in a pool with you is a waste of time. Put together the best ticket(s) that you can with your handicapping methods and let it ride. Don't include a horse because you think it may seperate you from the pool, include the horse because you think he can win the race and belongs on your ticket.

To answer Matt's original question, I think it is all of the above. The comments on this thread are right on. Cali was first, the time of day fits perfectly for us east coast working stiffs, normally fast and firm with few scratches and it kind of feeds off itself (the pools are bigger so more people play, which cause the pools to be bigger and so on....).