Uh... OK (Re: Casner 'Final Turn' in BH & Comments)

[Cannon Shell]

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[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

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Look at the bright side. If Santa Anita becomes the permanent home of the Breeders Cup, then we might see the comeback of prominent eastern races like the Young America Futurity. The clock will be turned back to 1987 or 88.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

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Polycrap for every nongrass BC race. Satish will send the Mossad to restore order.

[iamthelurker]

If any track should have it every year (which none should) it should be Belmont Park.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by iamthelurker

If any track should have it every year (which none should) it should be Belmont Park.

sorry but it should be CD.

[Danzig]

no track should have it every year. this is supposed to be a nationwide effort-why should one track, one region, get the races each year?

[dalakhani]

I think Casner makes some pretty valid points. I think they need to hold out on a decision until at least after this year. This will be the first two day event at a big track other than Santa Anita. Its going to be interesting to see how the numbers look.

[randallscott35]

Mousead will reign in a world of secret cheese.

[freddymo]

The international racing community has demonstrated over the last two Breeders’ Cup events that it will bring its best horses to Santa Anita. This is essential to the survival and growth of the event and our worldwide betting pools. We are a global industry, and we have to do everything we can to maintain Breeders’ Cup as the true World Championships. Dubai has made a bold challenge for this title with the establishment of the spectacular Meydan Racecourse. The Dubai Racing Club will continue to expand its product and increase purses. The path Breeders’ Cup chooses will determine whether this challenge is successfully met


Does "expand it's product" mean that Tam Lin will race twice a week instead of just once a week?

But the most compelling reason for making Santa Anita the permanent venue is the sheer survival of Breeders’ Cup as a viable and profitable company for the advancement of our industry. If Breeders’ Cup is unable to sustain itself and ultimately grow, it will certainly insure the continued decline of Thoroughbred racing in North America. Companies blind to the evolving landscape of their markets and paralyzed by fear of change are destined for decline and failure. The ability to grow purses or even maintain the current level will be extremely difficult, if not impossible, with the current model and industry economics

Yep without the BC Cup purses will have to decline..lol How did this guy get so wealthy? Gene lottery?

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no track should have it every year. this is supposed to be a nationwide effort-why should one track, one region, get the races each year?

Agree. Give fans from all parts of the country an opportunity to attend with reasonable travel. If you hold it at any site permanently, particularly either coast, you eliminate a lot of fans from being able to attend every few years.

Unless you want to create a new race surface category, you have no business running on synthetic surfaces anyway. Calling a race the "Dirt Mile" on Pro-Ride, Polytrack, Cushion...whatever, it's a joke and you often have results that don't reflect the best runners. You might as well run the Classic on turf if you want to say synthetics are the same as dirt.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The international racing community has demonstrated over the last two Breeders’ Cup events that it will bring its best horses to Santa Anita. This is essential to the survival and growth of the event and our worldwide betting pools. We are a global industry, and we have to do everything we can to maintain Breeders’ Cup as the true World Championships. Dubai has made a bold challenge for this title with the establishment of the spectacular Meydan Racecourse. The Dubai Racing Club will continue to expand its product and increase purses. The path Breeders’ Cup chooses will determine whether this challenge is successfully met


Does "expand it's product" mean that Tam Lin will race twice a week instead of just once a week?

But the most compelling reason for making Santa Anita the permanent venue is the sheer survival of Breeders’ Cup as a viable and profitable company for the advancement of our industry. If Breeders’ Cup is unable to sustain itself and ultimately grow, it will certainly insure the continued decline of Thoroughbred racing in North America. Companies blind to the evolving landscape of their markets and paralyzed by fear of change are destined for decline and failure. The ability to grow purses or even maintain the current level will be extremely difficult, if not impossible, with the current model and industry economics

Yep without the BC Cup purses will have to decline..lol How did this guy get so wealthy? Gene lottery?

Even someone who is anti-Dubai cannot deny that World Cup night is far, far more of a World Championship than the Breeders' Cup.

NT

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Even someone who is anti-Dubai cannot deny that World Cup night is far, far more of a World Championship than the Breeders' Cup.

NT

YEP! that horse from Norway sealed it for me also this year. Next year I heard they are getting a rep from Turkey and India as well. It's the best of the best.. Nick it's Mike D' kock and bunch of clueless ex camel trainers save the odd european. A billion dollar track for 25 days of racing and no indoor ski slope pathetic?lol

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by freddymo

YEP! that horse from Norway sealed it for me also this year. Next year I heard they are getting a rep from Turkey and India as well. It's the best of the best.. Nick it's Mike D' kock and bunch of clueless ex camel trainers save the odd european. A billion dollar track for 25 days of racing and no indoor ski slope pathetic?lol

Hey I'm no great Dubai proponent and where they're located geographically is surely quite helpful but they had horses from at least five continents run on World Cup night last year.

If you want to say that the Sheikh is totally over the top and the thing is overblown, I'd agree, but the BC is in no position to dispute with the DRC who hosts a "World Championship."

NT

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Hey I'm no great Dubai proponent and where they're located geographically is surely quite helpful but they had horses from at least five continents run on World Cup night last year.

If you want to say that the Sheikh is totally over the top and the thing is overblown, I'd agree, but the BC is in no position to dispute with the DRC who hosts a "World Championship."

NT

If Worlds Championship is defined as races with the largest cross section of countries, then Dubai rules the globe.

World Series > World Baseball Championship right? You get the point.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by freddymo

If Worlds Championship is defined as races with the largest cross section of countries, then Dubai rules the globe.

World Series > World Baseball Championship right? You get the point.

I would think that's what the BC is shooting for, right? I mean they've had increasing global involvement as an initiative for years.

It's certainly a lot easier for Asian and Australian horses to come to Dubai than America and that speaks to the reason why the BC is misguided in that approach. Hell, they're concerned about getting horses from all over the globe and they didn't even have one of the two best horses in training in this country last year!

NT

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I would think that's what the BC is shooting for, right? I mean they've had increasing global involvement as an initiative for years.

It's certainly a lot easier for Asian and Australian horses to come to Dubai than America and that speaks to the reason why the BC is misguided in that approach. Hell, they're concerned about getting horses from all over the globe and they didn't even have one of the two best horses in training in this country last year!

NT

You think the BC is interested in the Uruaguay champion? If the Uru. champ is any good/great the world's best horse wrangler Gokillthem will buy him and bring the horse were he belongs. You really think the BC wants some 40 claimer from Norway entered in the BC Classic?

As for not getting the best horses. Dirt horses race on dirt, Rubber on Rubber, Turf on Turf, if dirt isnt available were should Rachel have raced? Jockey Gold Cup?

[Danzig]

perhaps the bc should get over their whole 'world championship' bs. it's not the world championships. it's supposed to be a day to showcase the nations breeders by exhibiting their best. if they offer enough money, others will send their best-just like they have in the past.

as for santa anita saying more came then they would have otherwise, that's incorrect. i remember reading comments from overseas connections saying they don't want to come to cali because it's too warm, and their horses are already getting into their winter mode. the bc should pare down their race card, and put the extra purses into the remaining races. that's the draw. not the surface, the location, it's the money!

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by freddymo

You think the BC is interested in the Uruaguay champion? If the Uru. champ is any good/great the world's best horse wrangler Gokillthem will buy him and bring the horse were he belongs. You really think the BC wants some 40 claimer from Norway entered in the BC Classic?

As for not getting the best horses. Dirt horses race on dirt, Rubber on Rubber, Turf on Turf, if dirt isnt available were should Rachel have raced? Jockey Gold Cup?

I think there's a conflict between what you think the BC wants and what I think the BC wants. If they're going to put forth this "International World Championships" agenda then yes, I assume they want international involvement.

If you think that horses coming from Europe for the BC is enough then you must believe they're reaching their potential.

NT

[otisotisotis]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

sorry but it should be CD.

not so fast.....once I build my mega-dome track in Lebanon, KS they will have to give it to me.....

[Linny]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Even someone who is anti-Dubai cannot deny that World Cup night is far, far more of a World Championship than the Breeders' Cup.

NT

Definately more "world" but not sure about "championship." There is no doubt that they have a far greater international representation on the DWC card than the BC. Of course they have designed a 3 month long event to lead up to it.
For most of the less well off racing nations, where purses are very small (most of So. America, S. Africa, much of Europe) nominatig to the BC is prohibitively expensive. What are the odds that a foal born in Brazil this Oct will one day be anywhere near the BC? Very small. Now factor in that major G1 races are run in some places for the equivalent of about $50k and the fact that the sire of the foal is not BC nominated, it's not worth it to nominate. OTOH, if he turn out to be a decent runner he can go to Dubai for the Carnival, run for US quality purses and the it costs nothing to enter. If he gets invited to the big races on WC night, there are no nomination and supplemental fees.
Comparing Dubai to the BC is apples to oranges.

As for the Cup, while I agree that the concept was designed as a travelling event na small part of me thinks leaving it at SA might be good. If the BC becomes a Cali event, maybe NY can promote their big fall races as the championship events they once were.