Muslims have gone too far

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

From this post...



How can I not jump to a conclusion that is more than likely right after that last paragraph?

So Muslims can't practice their religion in America freely? There are worship centers all over KENTUCKY FOR ****S SAKE!!

Still not seeing it.

We'll just have to agree to disagree then.

Just watch out for those KKK suicide bombers.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I'm not sure everyone is reading it that way, since it was a comparison of people who kill because they claim that their religion tells them to...the scope is irrelevant to such a comparison -- in fact, of the four people talking about this right now, you're the only one who read it that way. I know it's Riot, so a question of giving her the benefit of the doubt is entirely out of the question by default, but it seems like a bit of a stretch to take the words she wrote and extend them into the argument you claim those words were making.

to be honest I dont care if people use religion or not as their excuse. Stalin as far as I know wasnt using religion as his excuse, Hitler either, eventhough he used that as propaganda. All the same to me. People get all fanatical about their books and what people in robes tell them.. so it makes sense that a lot of violence is centered around these religions.

Of course the KKK example a down play. Right now the biggest threat on this earth to our well being is Radical Muslims. They are a larger and scarier brand of terrorists than KKK members of 50 years ago, but I think the mind set is all similar.

[Patrick333]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Missing the point award

That's a winner..

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

So which is it? He's "fairly popular" or "I don't know" exactly how popular he is?

Considering all the the people of Muslim faith that condemned OBL at the time - and continue to, and continue to condemn terrorist acts - you don't seem to have much support for your guess.



You might try reading the Koran - where it says absolutely one will not commit murder. Or maybe the part about Jesus- yeah, that Jesus - being a revered prophet.

Or maybe try to learn about religions - how all religions (including the "Christian" ones) have differing and various sects that follow and believe vastly different things. For example, there is that American one that has killed thousands of people over the years in the name of God, with their God's support, 'cause the bible told them to ... oh yeah, the KKK.



As long as they keep quiet and hide their religion from the hate of some of their fellow Americans, the fellow Americans that presume "they" are all killing terrorists because they happen to be of a certain religion others fear and misunderstand.

I know Bin Laden was very popular in the Muslim world. I had seen polls. Just because I didn't know the exact numbers, it didn't mean that I was totally guessing. You obviously didn't do your homework on the subject.

Here are the numbers: In 2003, Bin Laden's approval rating was 59% in Indonesia. In Pakistan his approval rating was 46% in 2003. His approval rating was 56% in Jordan. This was 2 years after 9/11. His numbers have come way down since then, which is good news. But I think the main reason his numbers have come way down is because they don't like the fact that he kills so many Muslims. When he was only killing Americans, he was very popular.

You can't try to act like it's only some tiny portion of the Muslim population that support Bin Laden when his approval rating was 59% in Indonesia.

http://blogs.mcclatchydc.com/nationa...eclining-.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23094334/

[miraja2]

Yeah, sometimes people who give orders that directly result in the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians somehow manage to retain high approval ratings in their home areas. It is really unfortunate that it happens, but it continues to happen all over the world. The numbers Rupert cites indicating that millions of people supported a truly despicable and murderous thug like Bin Laden earlier this decade are certainly evidence of that....as was the 2004 presidential election in the U.S.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Yeah, sometimes people who give orders that directly result in the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians somehow manage to retain high approval ratings in their home areas. It is really unfortunate that it happens, but it continues to happen all over the world. The numbers Rupert cites indicating that millions of people supported a truly despicable and murderous thug like Bin Laden earlier this decade are certainly evidence of that....as was the 2004 presidential election in the U.S.

Oh boy. Good luck tonight, miraja.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Yeah, sometimes people who give orders that directly result in the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians somehow manage to retain high approval ratings in their home areas. It is really unfortunate that it happens, but it continues to happen all over the world. The numbers Rupert cites indicating that millions of people supported a truly despicable and murderous thug like Bin Laden earlier this decade are certainly evidence of that....as was the 2004 presidential election in the U.S.

Come on Miraja2! How can you compare George Bush to Bin Laden? Bush was not a terrorist. Bush didn't intentionally target civilians.

Bush had good intentions going into Iraq. Not only that, but the vast majority of Iraqis wanted the US to come in and liberate them from Hussein. The polls in Iraq showed that at the time.

Who was Bin Laden liberating by blowing up the World Trade Center?

By the way, if you consider Bush to be a terrorist then I guess Obama is too since he is continuing the "wars" in Iraq and Afghanistan. I guess Obama is a "murderous thug" in your opinion just like Bush.

Her comments aren't shocking. What is shocking is a chick who is a liberal and into natural foods is a lard ass. She musta been gigantor before the liberal media/Hollywood told her what to eat.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

The issue in this thread is Muslim hate groups.

No, the issue on this thread is hating Muslims. Keep up.

Originally Posted by Riot

No, the issue on this thread is hating Muslims. Keep up.

I almost understand why a high percentage of Muslim men beat their women after reading your posts. You are a despicable bint.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Still not seeing it.

That's because it's not there. Never was.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I almost understand why a high percentage of Muslim men beat their women after reading your posts. You are a despicable bint.

I'll weigh the validity of that statement in light of the significance of the person it comes from.




Pooof. Nothing.

Too bad, Pillow.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by miraja2

The numbers Rupert cites indicating that millions of people supported a truly despicable and murderous thug like Bin Laden earlier this decade are certainly evidence of that....as was the 2004 presidential election in the U.S.

Here's the kevlar. Enjoy

Originally Posted by Riot

I'll weigh the validity of that statement in light of the significance of the person it comes from.




Pooof. Nothing.

Too bad, Pillow.

So who do you like in the 5th at Belmont tomorrow? Oh wait..you're one of those weirdos that frequent horse racing message boards just for the politics section and the occasional hack opinion on vet issues.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Here's the kevlar. Enjoy

So you agree with Miraja2 that Bush was a "murderous thug"? If so, then I guess you feel the same way about Obama since he continues the policies of Bush in terms of continuing the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I noticed that you haven't admitted that your belief that Bin Laden was not popular in the Muslim world was totally wrong.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Just remember that the KKK is an equal threat to radical Islam in this day and age. No I'm not being sarcastic! There are 6000 KKK members in the world! And they've gone global.

didn't the Depends wearing, esteemed Senator from WV. who used to be Grand Poohbah KKK, die? That would leave 5999. They still couldn't win a fight on Springer.

[Riot]

[quote=Rupert Pupkin;651117]So you agree with Miraja2 that Bush was a "murderous thug"?

I understand the point Miraja2 was attempting to make with the part of the paragraph that referred to Bush.

"Yeah, sometimes people who give orders that directly result in the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians somehow manage to retain high approval ratings in their home areas."

I noticed that you haven't admitted that your belief that Bin Laden was not popular in the Muslim world was totally wrong

LOL - probably as I don't think the fact that bin Laden isn't popular in the least throughout the majority of the Muslim world is wrong at all. I think that thought has been repeatedly demonstrated by the Muslim communities of multiple countries over the past many years. The Muslim world doesn't consist of one homegeneous religious sect, located in 2003 Indonesia. Or Pakistan. Or Jordan. It's not even "one sect" within those three countries. Let alone the multiple other countries that have major Muslim populations of varying beliefs. Seems some don't know that there are at least 50 differing religious sects that fall under "Islam". I keep reading that "Muslims" are terroristic, American-hating, murderous, child f'ng thugs that all think alike. Millions of people, all the same. I say that thought is a load of false, bigoted crap.

And yeah - I think terrorists who kill - domestic or foreign - are scum that should be dead.

[Rupert Pupkin]

[quote=Riot;651135]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

So you agree with Miraja2 that Bush was a "murderous thug"?

I understand the point Miraja2 was attempting to make with the part of the paragraph that referred to Bush.

"Yeah, sometimes people who give orders that directly result in the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians somehow manage to retain high approval ratings in their home areas."



LOL - probably as I don't think the fact that bin Laden isn't popular in the least throughout the majority of the Muslim world is wrong at all. I think that thought has been repeatedly demonstrated by the Muslim communities of multiple countries over the past many years. The Muslim world doesn't consist of one homegeneous religious sect, located in 2003 Indonesia. Or Pakistan. Or Jordan. It's not even "one sect" within those three countries. Let alone the multiple other countries that have major Muslim populations of varying beliefs. Seems some don't know that there are at least 50 differing religious sects that fall under "Islam". I keep reading that "Muslims" are terroristic, American-hating, murderous, child f'ng thugs that all think alike. Millions of people, all the same. I say that thought is a load of false, bigoted crap.

And yeah - I think terrorists who kill - domestic or foreign - are scum that should be dead.

The bottom line is that Bin Laden was popular in most Muslim countries around 2003. Over 50% of Muslims supported Bin Laden in many Muslim countries. Do you know of many (or any) Muslim countries where he wasn't popular?

[Riot]

[quote=Rupert Pupkin;651140]

Originally Posted by Riot

The bottom line is that Bin Laden was popular in most Muslim countries around 2003.

The bottom line is some lump all "Muslims" together as a religious cult of terrorists to hate and fear, and some don't.