Talk about your bad beats. - Page 3

ninetoone · #41 06-03-2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yeah, it was a blown call and it sucks. I feel bad for the guy (and the ump). But that is baseball and hopefully this blown call leads to instant replay but I don't really like the idea of retroactively changing calls. Are they going to go back to every game in the MLB library where the pitcher had 26 straight outs before giving up a hit and check that every single one was truly a hit? Then what, do we have to look at no hitters next? Shutouts? Should anyone that hit .398 or .399 in a season have all their hits reviewed to see if there were any they were robbed of by a bad call and we should now give them a .400 season?

They actually did look at no hitters years back & struck many of them from the record books based on the official definition...

SniperSB23 · #42 06-03-2010, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone

They actually did look at no hitters years back & struck many of them from the record books based on the official definition...

Not because of bad calls.

ninetoone · #43 06-03-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Not because of bad calls.

The point is...it can be changed if they want to do it. And they are considering it.

santana · #44 06-03-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone

The point is...it can be changed if they want to do it. And they are considering it.

And they should .....

horseofcourse · #45 06-03-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by santana

And they should .....

there were other blown calls in this game. How can you possibly choose to rectify one blown call over another in this game alone??

ninetoone · #46 06-03-2010, 01:38 PM

The "dangerous precedent" and "big can of worms" argument is a chicken sh*t response to a once in a lifetime play & event.

Every once in awhile, leaders need to snap in their spine & do the right thing. Hopefully this will be one of those times.

MaTH716 · #47 06-03-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone

The "dangerous precedent" and "big can of worms" argument is a chicken sh*t response to a once in a lifetime play & event.

Every once in awhile, leaders need to snap in their spine & do the right thing. Hopefully this will be one of those times.

Totally disagree with that. Where would it stop? What are they going to do, implement a rule that the commish could only overturn the 27th and final out of a perfect game if called wrong? What would have happened if he was actually safe and ruled out? Would they overturn that call and take the kid out of the record books? I highly doubt it.

It sucks and it was a bad call. The more I think about it, I just think that it's very poor luck for Galaragga.

Bigsmc · #48 06-03-2010, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Totally disagree with that. Where would it stop? What are they going to do, implement a rule that the commish could only overturn the 27th and final out of a perfect game if called wrong? What would have happened if he was actually safe and ruled out? Would they overturn that call and take the kid out of the record books? I highly doubt it.

It sucks and it was a bad call. The more I think about it, I just think that it's very poor luck for Galaragga.

Excellent point.

SniperSB23 · #49 06-03-2010, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Totally disagree with that. Where would it stop? What are they going to do, implement a rule that the commish could only overturn the 27th and final out of a perfect game if called wrong? What would have happened if he was actually safe and ruled out? Would they overturn that call and take the kid out of the record books? I highly doubt it.

It sucks and it was a bad call. The more I think about it, I just think that it's very poor luck for Galaragga.

And what would have happened if the next guy doubled, he walked the next two and they hit a grand slam to win the game? Now are you going to rule the game was really over before all that happened?

MaTH716 · #50 06-03-2010, 02:12 PM

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And what would have happened if the next guy doubled, he walked the next two and they hit a grand slam to win the game? Now are you going to rule the game was really over before all that happened?

I know we could cover every what if there is, like are we even having this conversation if this call happened in the 2nd inning? Probably not.

But I'll admit at first I was kind of hoping that MLB would do the right thing. But the more I think about it, they just can't. Granted it was an injustice, but unfortunately that's a part of the game. There is probably a blown call or 2 in the the previous 20 perfect games that were pitched (going with or against the pitcher in the books). If this is about getting the call right and putting Galaragga in the books, don't they owe it to history to go back and purge whatever pitcher got into the books due to a wrong call that went his way? I just think MLB would be entering dangerous territory.

Cannon Shell · #51 06-03-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

umpire shoulda been moving towards second base to get the angle...lazy....he should be fined.

you are kidding right?

Cannon Shell · #52 06-03-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

as long as he stayed behing the basepath/play he woulda be fine to get angle

The angle was fine. The guy was in the right position. He simply blew the call

Cannon Shell · #53 06-03-2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Cabrera should have let the second baseman field the ball and stayed on first and we wouldnt have this situation! He would have been out by a mile! (though a half step is still technically a mile in baseball)

Still doesnt change the fact that it was a blown call and was, for real, a perfect game... but I wonder why the 1st basemen had to field that ball.

It would have been a much tougher play for the 2nd baseman who was moving towards right field and would have had to have stopped and thrown.

Cannon Shell · #54 06-03-2010, 02:23 PM

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Seriously, I did this for awhile..2-3 steps and he gets the whole panarama of play. He should've been willing to ask for help.

He wasnt out of position nor did he not see the play. Jesus, the guy blew the call and truthfully it is the absolute best thing that happened to Galarraga. Had he thrown a "typical" perfect game he would soon be forgotten like Len Barker or Mike Witt. Instead he has his own unique place in baseball history.

MaTH716 · #55 06-03-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He wasnt out of position nor did he not see the play. Jesus, the guy blew the call and truthfully it is the absolute best thing that happened to Galarraga. Had he thrown a "typical" perfect game he would soon be forgotten like Len Barker or Mike Witt. Instead he has his own unique place in baseball history.

Yeah I do kind of agree, but think about all that money he is going to lose from those autograph shows 15-20 years down the road.

Antitrust32 · #56 06-03-2010, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It would have been a much tougher play for the 2nd baseman who was moving towards right field and would have had to have stopped and thrown.

i disagree. From my viewpoint the second basement was basically right behind the ball (maybe 10-15 feet behind Cabrera) when Cabrera got the ball. Easy play.

Cannon Shell · #57 06-03-2010, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Yeah I do kind of agree, but think about all that money he is going to lose from those autograph shows 15-20 years down the road.

I think he will profit from this. It isnt as though Denny Martinez, Len Barker or Mike Witt are big names on the autograph curcuit. He will always be known as the guy who got screwed by the umps which led to MLB using replay. That is going to happen. Seriously who is going to be more remembered? This guy or Dallas Braden?

Antitrust32 · #58 06-03-2010, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think he will profit from this. It isnt as though Denny Martinez, Len Barker or Mike Witt are big names on the autograph curcuit. He will always be known as the guy who got screwed by the umps which led to MLB using replay. That is going to happen. Seriously who is going to be more remembered? This guy or Dallas Braden?

Roy Halladay

Cannon Shell · #59 06-03-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i disagree. From my viewpoint the second basement was basically right behind the ball (maybe 10-15 feet behind Cabrera) when Cabrera got the ball. Easy play.

First of all it would have taken the ball a split second to get to the 2nd baseman. The guy was out by a split seond. Secondly he would have been moving when he fielded the ball as was the pitcher. two moving objects have a much greater chance of error than one moving target. And the corner infielders always cut off the ball when they can. Cabarera actually made the proper play by not rushing the throw and waiting for the pitcher to get into position.

Cannon Shell · #60 06-03-2010, 02:45 PM

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Roy Halladay

Halladay is a star. These other guys arent nor will they be. Though if the Phils dont turn the offense around Halladay will be missing the playoffs again!