John Shirreffs two best mares before Zenyatta

[Round Pen]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Hook And Ladder freaked in his debut race.

How about Swept Overboard for just 700K? There's one that eventually shipped East and killed them in the Met Mile two years later: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF55D5ahx1s

THanks for that Link I loved that Horse, Actually watched his race from the Ancient Title in 2001 when He beat Kona Gold too

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Marsha Naify still has horses with Bruce Headley, Mandella, she owns Free Flying Soul who ran third in the BC last year and then won the Grade 1 sprint there this winter.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Marsha Naify still has horses with Bruce Headley, Mandella, she owns Free Flying Soul who ran third in the BC last year and then won the Grade 1 sprint there this winter.

You mean "didn't win the Grade 1 sprint there this winter."

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The name of a farm that owned A LOT of really nice horses in So. Cal - they broke up in like the year 2000 I think.

They gave Shirreffs his first big break and he trained a lot of VERY good horses for them. I believe they gave him Bertrando as a rookie trainer on his own after Frankel refused to train him any more.

They also owned a horse, and trained by Shirreffs who beat a Kentucky Derby winner in both their debut races, later the horse was bought by the Thoroughbred corp....I would ask you to name them but its such an obvious answer.

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

You mean "didn't win the Grade 1 sprint there this winter."

yea maybe, thought headley won a grade 1 this winter sprinting, maybe it was the malibu.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The name of a farm that owned A LOT of really nice horses in So. Cal - they broke up in like the year 2000 I think.

They gave Shirreffs his first big break and he trained a lot of VERY good horses for them. I believe they gave him Bertrando as a rookie trainer on his own after Frankel refused to train him any more.

Why did Frankel refuse to train him?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Why did Frankel refuse to train him?

I could be wrong but I think this was after they unretired him.

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Why did Frankel refuse to train him?

Probably because he had been bred, then they wanted to bring him back..

The bloodhorse has video about Bertrando, a few things are addressed in it... http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...E-C50B6D13FF8F

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Yeah - they bred him to a bunch of mares - and than put him back in training I think.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I could be wrong but I think this was after they unretired him.

Thanks!

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by KirisClown

Probably because he had been bred, then they wanted to bring him back..

The bloodhorse has video about Bertrando, a few things are addressed in it... http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...E-C50B6D13FF8F

That video was interesting, thanks for posting it!

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by KirisClown

The bloodhorse has video about Bertrando, a few things are addressed in it... http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...E-C50B6D13FF8F

Here's an LA Times article that covers a lot of the comeback, especially the behind-the-scenes bit:

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-08-...6280_1_del-mar

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Here's an LA Times article that covers a lot of the comeback, especially the behind-the-scenes bit:

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-08-...6280_1_del-mar

Good article, Ed Nahem must have been fun to train for.

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Originally Posted by KirisClown

Good article, Ed Nahem must have been fun to train for.

Can you imagine him working with Shirreffs?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by KirisClown

Good article, Ed Nahem must have been fun to train for.

You probably remember, he's the guy who owned the decent Cal-bred Hugh Hefner (by Bertrando actually). Ran in the Preakness following a win in the Snow Chief, and IIRC, Hef showed up at Pimlico with a stable of his own to parade around with.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Kasept

How many horses break their maidens in a Gr. I?

Stardom Bound did as well.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Heres a link to the results for the 505 Farm dispersal Sale.

http://barretts.com/SalesResults/results/rs150500.asp

I had forgotten a few of these horses that sold that day for Big money
PLus I didn't remember 505 having Hook and Ladder when he was 2

$2.6 million for the horse best known for beating Fusaichi Pegasus in that one's debut...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by philcski

Stardom Bound did as well.

She came out of OBS March with the 3f bullet and was unblinkered - and every other horse from that sale who previewed 3/8 was like dog food compared to her.

I remember watching her debut at 5.5fs and expecting her to shoot to the lead and trounce the field ... she walked out of the gate and was like 15 back and came flying to lose a close photo.

I can't get over how her - and now a horse like Aikenite took the style of becoming closers.

[mbahadur]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Here's an LA Times article that covers a lot of the comeback, especially the behind-the-scenes bit:

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-08-...6280_1_del-mar

I remember an interview with Frankel around that time where he stated they don't run as well after they hit the breeding shed. He was probably right as Bertrando was not the same horse as he was the prior year when he finished second in the BC Classic giving up the lead to Arcangues.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by mbahadur

I remember an interview with Frankel around that time where he stated they don't run as well after they hit the breeding shed. He was probably right as Bertrando was not the same horse as he was the prior year when he finished second in the BC Classic giving up the lead to Arcangues.

He did recover enough of his previous form to win the Goodwood over then 3yo Dramatic Gold (who was 3rd in the BC Classic next out). IIRC, Bertrando got a decent Beyer in that race.

He was horrific after the '94 BC.