Guerrero off the charts at Philly

[PatCummings]

Has anyone been following this guy at Philly? I know the typical responses we are sure to see here from the usual cast of characters, but the numbers he is putting up are downright obscene.

On Saturday, he started five horses, all five were winners, and the longest-priced winner was 2.9-1. All were favorites...but still.

Through Saturday 7/17, Juan Guerrero had 140 starters and 60 wins, 28 seconds, 19 thirds for a win % of 42.9% and ITM of 76.4%. Phil Aristone and Ed Auwarter trail Guerrero each by 11 wins (49 a piece through Saturday) and had a combined 349 starters more than Guerrero.

[the_fat_man]

Sounds like something DrugS will be writing about very shortly.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Sounds like something DrugS will be writing about very shortly.

[gamblin4ever]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

Has anyone been following this guy at Philly? I know the typical responses we are sure to see here from the usual cast of characters, but the numbers he is putting up are downright obscene.

On Saturday, he started five horses, all five were winners, and the longest-priced winner was 2.9-1. All were favorites...but still.

Through Saturday 7/17, Juan Guerrero had 140 starters and 60 wins, 28 seconds, 19 thirds for a win % of 42.9% and ITM of 76.4%. Phil Aristone and Ed Auwarter trail Guerrero each by 11 wins (49 a piece through Saturday) and had a combined 349 starters more than Guerrero.

His ROI is going down now due to people jumping on him but, he seems to be putting his horses in spots that they can win all the time. I picked up on him a few weeks ago and made decent profit on him.

[Cannon Shell]

He is like Woody Stevens, Charlie Whittingham and Sunny Jim Fitzsimmons all rolled up into one fantastic trainer! Surely some big owners should give him a few million dollars worth of horses as he could probably win a few Triple Crowns and maybe even sweep the Breeders Cup card if they keep those pesky Europeans out of the turf races.

[Round Pen]

Would he be a distant relative of Oscar Barrera

[keithting]

I got so bored with watching the Juan Carlos show yesterday at Philly Park, that I started wagering on Ft. Pierce Jai Alai (and happened to pick the winner of 3 games in a row)...

I really don't see how it is good for racing when certain trainers dominant like this....

[randallscott35]

its Philly Park. Who cares

[Duvalier]

Seriously...what is it that these guys do to hit at those kind of percentages?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Seriously...what is it that these guys do to hit at those kind of percentages?

Worming. Live it, love it.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

its Philly Park. Who cares

It is probably the best place to run a claiming horse, that is who cares.

It is even better then your beloved oval

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Worming. Live it, love it.

So you have no idea?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Scav

It is probably the best place to run a claiming horse, that is who cares.

It is even better then your beloved oval

Yes but cheating is sanctioned there. It is the Wild West. So who cares? It is part of the deal.

[JerseyJ]

Juan Carlos Guerrero, Edward Auwarter, and Ramon Preciado are the worst cheaters out there at Philly. It's obscene. With Preciado and Guerrero almost any horse they claim is guaranteed to improve first off the claim no matter who trained the horse previously, the horse will run his eyeballs out first off...and Auwarter is a ridiculous story, guy who was a 5% or so trainer until he took over the operation of the biggest crooks in Philadelphia in McCaslin/Vayders, and all of a sudden he becomes a 25% trainer...a real shame that some of these shmucks get away with the crap they do.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

Juan Carlos Guerrero, Edward Auwarter, and Ramon Preciado are the worst cheaters out there at Philly. It's obscene. With Preciado and Guerrero almost any horse they claim is guaranteed to improve first off the claim no matter who trained the horse previously, the horse will run his eyeballs out first off...and Auwarter is a ridiculous story, guy who was a 5% or so trainer until he took over the operation of the biggest crooks in Philadelphia in McCaslin/Vayders, and all of a sudden he becomes a 25% trainer...a real shame that some of these shmucks get away with the crap they do.

Auwarter is trainer in name only. McCaslin trains the horses as Auwarters 'assistant'. Why a guy who cant get a trainers license is allowed to get an assistants license is beyond me.

When no one is willing to claim horses from an outfit that consistently lays them in time and time again, that kind of speaks for itself.

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Auwarter is trainer in name only. McCaslin trains the horses as Auwarters 'assistant'. Why a guy who cant get a trainers license is allowed to get an assistants license is beyond me.

When no one is willing to claim horses from an outfit that consistently lays them in time and time again, that kind of speaks for itself.

Oh I am well aware of the bs that happens with that operation...Vayders had like 8-10 drug positives before she was finally banned and not allowed to contest the ruling, and we all know what happened with McCaslin. It's a joke that barn. Of the top 15 trainers in the standings at Philly, I would say maybe 6 or 7 of them are truly clean.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

Oh I am well aware of the bs that happens with that operation...Vayders had like 8-10 drug positives before she was finally banned and not allowed to contest the ruling, and we all know what happened with McCaslin. It's a joke that barn. Of the top 15 trainers in the standings at Philly, I would say maybe 6 or 7 of them are truly clean.

We have gotten a first hand look at the operation since we share a barn with them at Philly. Let's just say that all the 'superior horsemanship' that the enablers and pom-pom wavers always speak when refering to the geniuses of the game hasn't been on display, at least during normal training hours.

[Left Bank]

Boy,you guys aren't kidding.I just went through the charts for last Saturday,wow! It seems every race this guy enters he wins.
I wonder who his equine dentist is?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

We have gotten a first hand look at the operation since we share a barn with them at Philly. Let's just say that all the 'superior horsemanship' that the enablers and pom-pom wavers always speak when refering to the geniuses of the game hasn't been on display, at least during normal training hours.

First of all it doesnt take a great trainer to claim a horse for 12500 and run them back 30 days later in a 7500 and jog. The Guerrero/Carmouche connection is scary hot. I would assume his day will come but in the mean time he is stealing money.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Sounds like something DrugS will be writing about very shortly.

I posted on facebook several months ago that I felt Guerrero was the strong favorite to win this years Golden Syringe Award for trainer with the best juice.

To me, what has been most impressive about Guerrero is how strong he's been off the claim this year.

Guerrero has a 21-15-2-2 record 1st start off of the claim in 2010. That's a strong 71.4% win percentage and a dazzling $3.62 ROI. 2nd start off of the claim Guerrero is 20-11-3-3 with a $3.34 ROI.

He was always great from an ROI standpoint in these categories .. but this years he's finally seeing the win percentage category break out.

'08 and '09 1st start off of the claim: 30-11-5-7 (37% wins and $3.83 ROI)

'08 and '09 2nd start off of the claim: 24-10-4-4 (42% wins and $2.64 ROI)


Honestly ... guys like Guerrero sometimes feel like the true superstars in this game. The horses are running less and less often - most divisions are a bit subpar compared to years past - but there's always a trainer or three out there bringing the kind of magic that had been missing to that extreme in the Pre Mullins, Dutrow, Steph Beattie era when I was following racing.