Drug O'Neil keeps on a butchering

[Scav]

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/se...n-doug-oneill/

Who the hell wants to win a race at Los Alamitos?

[randallscott35]

What a guy. Special place in hell for him.

I asked O’Neill, given what happened to Burna Dette after being dropped so sharply in class, if he would do the same thing again with another horse.

“I definitely would,” he said. “I’ve been blessed to win a lot of races with horses that dropped like that. It’s easier on them.”

[Scav]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

What a guy. Special place in hell for him.

I asked O’Neill, given what happened to Burna Dette after being dropped so sharply in class, if he would do the same thing again with another horse.

“I definitely would,” he said. “I’ve been blessed to win a lot of races with horses that dropped like that. It’s easier on them.”

He won't do it again that drastic though, any trainer wants to be as far away from possible from publicity like this. Pretty comedy.

[CSC]

This exerpt caught my eye: Arthur has pushed for the rule change, saying a trainer and owner had been seen “high-fiving” each other when a horse of theirs was claimed from a race in which it broke down.

Hard to imagine this can happen, if it did, I would love to know who they are.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Scav

He won't do it again that drastic though, any trainer wants to be as far away from possible from publicity like this. Pretty comedy.

Thomas, this is true comedy.

[MISTERGEE]

It is amazing how these trainers and owners who have been given so much by this sport and these horses would be willing to drop horses who are obviously ready to break at any moment to these low levels rather than just retire them. Although you see it everyday. See race 1, PID tonight, Azura. Just ran in an allowance $42,900 purse lunged at the start and got beat about 3 lengths, race before ran 4th in an 85k stake race and before that won an optional 32k race. Tonight is entered for 5k. Hope she scratches

[freddymo]

O Neil cant be defended on any level.. On the 8/9 Suffolk card there were 2 Zito Lapenta Mdn's dropping from 20 to 4 claimers both horses were 200 plus k and both were to slow to compete in NY. I also saw an Ex Phipps 4 year old that was out of Finders Fee racing as well.

The real question is does a horse's previous owner need to be responsible for the life of the animal that they purchased or bred and raced? Tough issue in the case of the two LaPenta Zito's yesterday ther were purchased in 08 for real money who knows how much was poored into the training feeding and vetting for these for the last 18 months. It isn't unresonable that each had 100k of added expense until they were claimed away.. Should Lapenta have to inspect or be involved with the horses future because he raised his paddle the highest in a auction in 08? Tough question

[SCUDSBROTHER]

He really entered Tuscan Evening (having a heart attack) into this discussion? WTF ...

[AeWingnut]

O'Neil is an a-hole. I'm sure there are plenty of people waiting to hand him an anvil on his way down.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He really entered Tuscan Evening (having a heart attack) into this discussion? WTF ...

I thought that was real classy also

[the_fat_man]

Someone enlighten me here: are claiming horses typically insured? And, if so, is it for a preset level or does it fluctuate depending on the last race level?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Someone enlighten me here: are claiming horses typically insured? And, if so, is it for a preset level or does it fluctuate depending on the last race level?

No, although some tracks will insure a 'claim' on a horse that breaks down. In Illinois you might get half your money back.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by freddymo

O Neil cant be defended on any level.. On the 8/9 Suffolk card there were 2 Zito Lapenta Mdn's dropping from 20 to 4 claimers both horses were 200 plus k and both were to slow to compete in NY. I also saw an Ex Phipps 4 year old that was out of Finders Fee racing as well.

The real question is does a horse's previous owner need to be responsible for the life of the animal that they purchased or bred and raced? Tough issue in the case of the two LaPenta Zito's yesterday ther were purchased in 08 for real money who knows how much was poored into the training feeding and vetting for these for the last 18 months. It isn't unresonable that each had 100k of added expense until they were claimed away.. Should Lapenta have to inspect or be involved with the horses future because he raised his paddle the highest in a auction in 08? Tough question

It isn't tough, why does a guy like LaPenta even have to run those horses for 4k, why not just retire them to an adaption facility, donate 6 months of care ($1500 roughly at an adaption facility) and clean the books.

These guys are sharp enough to understand that if their trainer is telling them they should run their 6 figure horses for 4k at Suffolk that they aren't very good horses.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

O Neil cant be defended on any level.. On the 8/9 Suffolk card there were 2 Zito Lapenta Mdn's dropping from 20 to 4 claimers both horses were 200 plus k and both were to slow to compete in NY. I also saw an Ex Phipps 4 year old that was out of Finders Fee racing as well.

The real question is does a horse's previous owner need to be responsible for the life of the animal that they purchased or bred and raced? Tough issue in the case of the two LaPenta Zito's yesterday ther were purchased in 08 for real money who knows how much was poored into the training feeding and vetting for these for the last 18 months. It isn't unresonable that each had 100k of added expense until they were claimed away.. Should Lapenta have to inspect or be involved with the horses future because he raised his paddle the highest in a auction in 08? Tough question

The big difference between the 2 situations is the Zito horses were never any good, they have been slow from the start. They obviously want to sell them at that price but more importantly from the trainers standpoint, get a win to pad the stats. Since trainers are almost exclusively selected, hired or fired based on win %, Zito figures he can pick up a couple more cheap wins (like C. Clement does every year at Suffolk) as he already was 2 for 3 there. He won one and lost that one and now has 3 more wins to add to the %.

O'Neil drops horses that have been successful at higher levels when they are broke down hoping to get the claimed and maybe even win as well.

There is a big difference between selling slow horses and broke down ones.

And I do not think that it is the responsibility of the owners who bred or bought the horses at auction. It is the responsibility of the current owner and trainer to protect the horse. If they can't spare the couple of grand they shouldnt be in the "business".

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Someone enlighten me here: are claiming horses typically insured? And, if so, is it for a preset level or does it fluctuate depending on the last race level?

The claiming price is the max they will get if the horse is insured regardless of what the horse was covered for.

[randallscott35]

It says a lot about people who are willing to keep their horses with trainers like this.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Scav

It isn't tough, why does a guy like LaPenta even have to run those horses for 4k, why not just retire them to an adaption facility, donate 6 months of care ($1500 roughly at an adaption facility) and clean the books.

These guys are sharp enough to understand that if their trainer is telling them they should run their 6 figure horses for 4k at Suffolk that they aren't very good horses.

Its a charcter flaw, some call it business.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Its a charcter flaw, some call it business.

I don't know LaPenta at all, but it is hard for me to believe that he is in it for the 'business' side of it. It is structured as a business for obvious reasons.

Also, it is much easier to donate and be done with it because you have a specific end date, you don't have to worry about the horse getting claimed, hurt or anything else that can possibly go wrong.

This way you eliminate the day rate and everything that goes with it.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

O'Neil drops horses that have been successful at higher levels when they are broke down hoping to get the claimed and maybe even win as well.

There is a big difference between selling slow horses and broke down ones.

"O’Neill said he turned down offers from individuals to buy Burna Dette beforehand because the owner wanted to win the race and hoped to keep the horse."

Can you really, ever again, trust anything coming out of that mouth?

[Cannon Shell]

In the last 5 years O'Neil has had 23 appear to have broken down. He makes a lot of starts but that is a lot of dead horses. Dale Romans with a similar sized outfit during that same period had 5 break down.