Breeding

[jpops757]

When soundness is not an issue. What is the youngest you can consider breeding a mare. Im thinking about Wait Awhile.Even with her extrmely good racing future . Is her value as a broodmare even more than on the track. Some very top notch fillies and mares could get involved next year. A very nice bunch of 3 4 and 5 year olds tat show very desirable breeding and they have producd a nice resume as for there racing.

[Revolution]

oujia board and pride are better than wait a while and they are still racing. the earnings on the track are obviously worth more because if she can earn $1M on the track she would have to drop a foal worth $1M plus the stud fee. you have to remember that there is no guarantee she will drop a foal. the rule of thumb with mares is to race them until they lose interest or do not have it any longer.

[Pedigree Ann]

Mares can only have one foal a year (twins generally aren't much good and everybody knows it). Stallions can have dozens, nay, hundreds, and the fee is up front, before the foal is born, comes up with a birth defect, been stepped on my his mom, kicked by a pasture-mate, or anything else that makes it less saleable. A single mare, even a great race mare, just doesn't have the value in the breeding business that the guys do.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Mares can only have one foal a year (twins generally aren't much good and everybody knows it). Stallions can have dozens, nay, hundreds, and the fee is up front, before the foal is born, comes up with a birth defect, been stepped on my his mom, kicked by a pasture-mate, or anything else that makes it less saleable. A single mare, even a great race mare, just doesn't have the value in the breeding business that the guys do.

Ped Ann,
I'm glad you chimed in, cause at first I didn't see the reason for the question.
We sonagram the mares and pinch off the other egg before she ovulates.
Yes, I agree, a stallion has much more value.
That said, my best guess is to keep her on the track until she's 4 or 5.
Sometimes it takes them a while off the track to get them back to cycling and the meds flushed out.
As far as breeding, the mare brings out the best in the sire, imho.
So there you have it. The "value" in the mare is sometimes not equal to the sire's, but she is at least half the story.
I won't get into the "every other generation" stuff cause I think you already know that.

[Downthestretch55]

Here's a site that explains it.

http://www.dimarpublishing.citymaker...ge/1367143.htm

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Mares can only have one foal a year (twins generally aren't much good and everybody knows it). Stallions can have dozens, nay, hundreds, and the fee is up front, before the foal is born, comes up with a birth defect, been stepped on my his mom, kicked by a pasture-mate, or anything else that makes it less saleable. A single mare, even a great race mare, just doesn't have the value in the breeding business that the guys do.

....a top stallion obviously is worth his weight in gold. BUT the odds of making a good stallion are slim, very slim. i'd rather own fillies, because win or lose, with a good pedigree, they have value as a mare. not so with a colt.

and i know there is the perception that bernardini will be a heck of a stallion. he's impeccably bred, and has a great race record. will get the best mares. but it's still a crapshoot whether he becomes a good stallion. only 1 in 10 makes it.

[sumitas]

this is from the reknowned creator of the Reines de Course
http://www.reines-de-course.com/

[Pedigree Ann]

A G1 winner with a Kee select sale pedigree can clear a heck of a lot of money before anyone can tell whether his progeny can run or not - 4 seasons of, say, 100 mares at $50K for 4 years is a couple million $. And you don't even have to worry about raising the foals to saleable age. I'd rather have a good mare, too, but in the business side of breeding, a stallion can earn you more money more quickly as a stud horse than as a racehorse, while a top mare can earn more money more quickly as a racemare than as a broodmare.

[jpops757]

How do you balance the value of a broodmare with a great record at the track with modest breeding and a broodmare with very strong breeding with a modest record at the track{no black type]?

[sumitas]

i prefer the latter because many of those mares have established their soundness by running many races. the former would have the most value because of black type.