Jeter A Jerk?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Yea, and if he got away with trying deceit in that situation, then, won't kids think they can get away with trying deception in a ton of situations? It's a horrible message to send. What's the difference between that, and destroying an opposing team's star player? I think what he did is poor sportsmanship. Now, the only fix is another act of poor sportsmanship (drilling him in the head.)

political correctness has ruined enough in this country already. Lets try to keep baseball from joining the crowd.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Danzig

just got home, hubby had taped the play from earlier so he could ask me what i thought. my first reaction was jeter is a cheater..then i said that other sports should have a rule similar to hockeys 'dive' rule. we've all seen punters and kickers act as tho a defender wiped them out in an attempt to draw a flag-and sometimes it works. and now this...
he should get a suspension for his theatrics.

A suspension? For what? He was awarded 1st base before the trainer came out, etc. This stuff happens all of the time.

Anyone watch basketball? Are we going to start suspending people for flopping? How about when a reciever in football pretends they were interfered with in an attempt to get a pass interference. This happens in all sports.

The players job is to win. The officials job is to enforce the rules. This was more or less a missed call by the ump. Not cheating IMO.

[Danzig]

it doesn't happen all the time. and no, i don't watch basketball. if hockey, which most say is 'anything goes' has a rule against faking crap like that, why wouldn't baseball or football? you play to win the game, not play-act. i thought it was ridiculous, that behavior like that should be considered beneath a pro. but, i guess i'm all wrong about anything regarding these 'professionals' and 'men' and their poor behavior.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it doesn't happen all the time. and no, i don't watch basketball. if hockey, which most say is 'anything goes' has a rule against faking crap like that, why wouldn't baseball or football? you play to win the game, not play-act. i thought it was ridiculous, that behavior like that should be considered beneath a pro. but, i guess i'm all wrong about anything regarding these 'professionals' and 'men' and their poor behavior.

Yes, this kind of thing does happen all of the time. How often does a 2nd baseman or shortstop actually touch 2nd base when turning a double play? Half of the time maybe. Is that cheating?

When a guy traps a ball trying to make a diving catch and comes up like he caught it....is he cheating?

When a catcher frames a ball to make it look like a strike...is he cheating? If we start suspending people for this stuff no one will be playing because they will all be suspended.

I think people are making a way bigger deal out of this because it's the Yankees and Jeter. And like I said, I say this as someone that doesn't really care for either.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It isn't different. He broke no rule. Baseball isn't self regulated like golf. If the umpires miss a call then you are under no obligation to bail them out. As for the social implication, I thought no one under 40 watched baseball anymore? And the rest of the world watches Soccer which is not only mind numbingly dull but where faking is an art form.

He acted like he got hit smack dead on the hand. It's not like he just let the umpires do their job, and they blew it. He cried out in pain like a lil bitch. This amount of subterfuge should be looked down upon. None of your other baseball examples have this important factor involved. Why would you bring soccer into this. You don't like it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Yes, this kind of thing does happen all of the time. How often does a 2nd baseman or shortstop actually touch 2nd base when turning a double play? Half of the time maybe. Is that cheating?

When a guy traps a ball trying to make a diving catch and comes up like he caught it....is he cheating?

When a catcher frames a ball to make it look like a strike...is he cheating? If we start suspending people for this stuff no one will be playing because they will all be suspended.

I think people are making a way bigger deal out of this because it's the Yankees and Jeter. And like I said, I say this as someone that doesn't really care for either.

i don't know how often it happens, i don't watch much baseball.

as for the play-it is blatantly obvious that jeter was faking. that would draw a 'dive' call in hockey. they don't call that unless they know for sure the guy is faking.
i'm not a fan of any team-and frankly i'm surprised that it's jeter involved. i thought he was considered one of the 'good guys'. in my case, it's got nothing to do with the team he's on, i'm not a fan of any of them.

thing is, altho many are saying 'hit the guy next time out', i find that distasteful. i don't believe that pitchers should be trying to hit these guys-how is that acceptable? again, back to hockey-they don't let these guys just hook each other and go at it. they sit for that, get fined, suspended..or in chris simons case, you go overseas to play as no one in north america will touch you. or mcsorly, charged with assault...

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't know how often it happens, i don't watch much baseball.

as for the play-it is blatantly obvious that jeter was faking. that would draw a 'dive' call in hockey. they don't call that unless they know for sure the guy is faking.
i'm not a fan of any team-and frankly i'm surprised that it's jeter involved. i thought he was considered one of the 'good guys'. in my case, it's got nothing to do with the team he's on, i'm not a fan of any of them.

thing is, altho many are saying 'hit the guy next time out', i find that distasteful. i don't believe that pitchers should be trying to hit these guys-how is that acceptable? again, back to hockey-they don't let these guys just hook each other and go at it. they sit for that, get fined, suspended..or in chris simons case, you go overseas to play as no one in north america will touch you. or mcsorly, charged with assault...

Zig, Jeter should be sent a message by the league. You attacked the integrity of the sport. Get some better morals. Find some sportsmanship. Win the right way. Don't go that far out of your way to deceive our umpires. He crossed the line here. It should surprise nobody that this is the organization caught doing this crap. He thinks it's funny. I'm sure the Wallstreet guys think it's funny that they ripped the nation off, too.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Zig, Jeter should be sent a message by the league. You attacked the integrity of the sport. Get some better morals. Find some sportsmanship. Win the right way. Don't go that far out of your way to deceive our umpires. He crossed the line here. It should surprise nobody that this is the organization caught doing this crap.

Answer a question for me. If Jeter had really gotten hit and the ump thought it hit the bat first, does the catcher have an obligation to correct the ump if he knew the truth? Would the catcher need a message sent to him by the league?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Answer a question for me. If Jeter had really gotten hit and the ump thought it hit the bat first, does the catcher have an obligation to correct the ump if he knew the truth? Would the catcher need a message sent to him by the league?

No. What you're not picking up on is the level of deception involved here. It's one thing to keep your mouth shut. It's another thing to act really badly hurt (when you're not even hit by a ball.) All these examples mentioned are mainly people playing the game, and accepting the results of the umps. That's not what took place here. Jeter went to Broadway in front of a National Audience. Hour and a half later, he admitted that the ball never even hit him. Admitted he had put on a deceitful display in order to try to win the wrong way.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

What you're not picking up on is the level of deception involved here. It's one thing to keep your mouth shut. It's another thing to act really badly hurt (when you're not even hit by a ball.)

Hard to answer a simple question huh? Everything I have mentioned is deception. When you dive for a ball and trap it, yet come up and pretend you caught it, it's deception. A catcher framing a ball to make it look like a strike is deception.

[MaTH716]

The whole what to do, is about the way Jeter acted like he was hit. You are talking about a guy that is treated like he some sort of holy figure. The guy can't do anything wrong. Hell, I have never even seen him argue with an ump.
But there is nothing wrong with taking the base if the ump gives it to you (really what are you supposed to do?). It's more about the production that Mr. Clean put on like he was drilled with a Nolan Ryan fastball in the nuts. Basically Mr. Rightous who can do nothing wrong pulled a fast one and shocked everyone who thought he was above stuff like that. But then again if you were in the slump that he's been in, you might be throwing yourself at fastballs thrown down the middle of the plate.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Hard to answer a simple question huh? Everything I have mentioned is deception. When you dive for a ball and trap it, yet come up and pretend you caught it, it's deception. A catcher framing a ball to make it look like a strike is deception.

No. It's not the same level of deception as having the trainer come out to deal with your damaged hand.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

It's more about the production that Mr. Clean put on like he was drilled with a Nolan Ryan fastball in the nuts.

A-ZATLY

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

No. It's not the same level of deception as having the trainer come out to deal with your damaged hand.

The trainer came out because he thought he was hurt. What did you want Jeter to do? Push him away? Deception is deception.

If Furcal did it, you'd be praising him.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

The trainer came out because he thought he was hurt. What did you want Jeter to do? Push him away? Deception is deception.

If Furcal did it, you'd be praising him.

LOL......Trainer came out, cuz he's acting like he busted his hand. No, FURCAL wouldn't do it for this club.. Don't have to worry about that. They get awfully timid when they join this organization. This organization has become the opposite of win at all costs. Look at Hershaw. She's brilliant when the season's a total loss. When the chips are on the table, she was no match for Oswalt, and the Phils. Owner has always seemed more interested in Cancer Charities than winning. I guess I can't be surprised that they're wimps.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

It is cheating. It's not idiotic to consider that cheating. He acts like the ball hit his hand. After the game he says it hit the bat. That is 100% cheating.

Beyond idiotic.. idiotic lost by 30 lengths

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Wouldn't be a problem if they just go to video n'check it, but no. We got to have this stupid bullshyt going on. Look at tennis. They get a certain amount of calls they check each match. No, we got to have people getting stuff they don't deserve. Really don't understand how all these bad calls make the game better. Makes it more of a joke. That's why Jeter was laughing. It's a fkn joke.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

The whole what to do, is about the way Jeter acted like he was hit. You are talking about a guy that is treated like he some sort of holy figure. The guy can't do anything wrong. Hell, I have never even seen him argue with an ump.
But there is nothing wrong with taking the base if the ump gives it to you (really what are you supposed to do?). It's more about the production that Mr. Clean put on like he was drilled with a Nolan Ryan fastball in the nuts. Basically Mr. Rightous who can do nothing wrong pulled a fast one and shocked everyone who thought he was above stuff like that. But then again if you were in the slump that he's been in, you might be throwing yourself at fastballs thrown down the middle of the plate.

that's the thing-the ump didn't just say take your base. jeter put on quite an act. i think that's what has people in an uproar. a dive for sure. it wasn't just an error on the umps part, jeter acted hit, acted hurt-he ought to be ashamed. just think if the yanks had won off of that lie.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is not cheating. He doesn't make the call, the ump does. So catchers trying to frame pitches are cheating too? Aren't they trying to deceive the ump? When a guy misses the bag on a double play and the ump doesnt see it is that cheating too? When a guy checks his swing but does in fact go around but the ump makes a bad call and says he held up, is that cheating if he doesnt admit to swinging? If a guy traps a ball but the ump misses the call and says it was a catch, is he cheating?

exactly.

and fucl< the Yankees

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it doesn't happen all the time. and no, i don't watch basketball. if hockey, which most say is 'anything goes' has a rule against faking crap like that, why wouldn't baseball or football? you play to win the game, not play-act. i thought it was ridiculous, that behavior like that should be considered beneath a pro. but, i guess i'm all wrong about anything regarding these 'professionals' and 'men' and their poor behavior.

pretty much

its its okay we still love ya Zig.