tinted windows..

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The Vikings - in 2003 - actually let the time expire on their first round pick because they wanted to sign him for less money.

Do you get how cheap that is? We don't want to pay the guy we want top 10 money - so we'll let the clock run out and have other teams race to the podium to get their picks in ahead of us... and we'll take our guy several picks later so we can sign him for less.

What? They tried to trade down and ran out of time because they waited too long to secure a trade. It wasn't because they were cheap. Teams trade down in the draft all the time.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What? They tried to trade down and ran out of time because they waited too long to secure a trade. It wasn't because they were cheap. Teams trade down in the draft all the time.

That was the explanation they gave. That they wanted to trade down to get him - but when they couldn't get a deal the clock expired and a few other teams got picks in.

You can't spit in your fans face. How many other times in NFL Draft history has the 15 minute clock expired on a team in the first round? I'm going to guess none.

Red McCombs was the cheapest owner in history - and they still sold the dome out every single game during his time as Vikings owner. He was the true cancer on that team. Who were his big free agent signings? None.

[ateamstupid]

OK, so it was Red McCombs' cheapness that forced Moss to get high and run over a traffic cop. Thanks for clearing that up.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

OK, so it was Red McCombs' cheapness that forced Moss to get high and run over a traffic cop. Thanks for clearing that up.

Big deal. He wasn't ever even suspended for that incident.

Moss is ancient - and he's missed a grand total of six games his entire career. In those six games without him - his teams have gone 1-5. Three of those six games were in Oakland - how did the Raiders offense do without Moss? They failed to score a single TD in those three games and lost all of them in blowout fashion. Yeah, that was a well oiled machine right there.

As for McCombs ... he made more money off of Moss than Moss ever made off of him. I think he bought the Vikes for 200 million in '98 and sold them for like 600 million after his final year in Minny.

This pretty much says it all about Red .....

During McCombs' run, the Vikings have sold out every home game and made the playoffs four times in seven seasons -- twice advancing to the NFC championship game. But his popularity waned, especially when he talked about moving the team to Los Angeles.

Frustrated by the lack of revenue from a new stadium, McCombs cut costs whenever he could. The Vikings were well under the salary cap this season and have one of the lowest-paid coaching staffs in the league.

If Moss stayed - Red probably wouldn't have sold the team and just kept on pulling his BS.

[Dahoss]

I'm not sure who you are trying to convince here. Who denies Moss is great? But he's a misfit. Nothing wrong with that, but why deny it?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'm not having that.

Sounds like an Ice Cube Movie.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I'm not sure who you are trying to convince here. Who denies Moss is great? But he's a misfit. Nothing wrong with that, but why deny it?

Come on Hussy...greatest ass evah?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I'm not sure who you are trying to convince here. Who denies Moss is great? But he's a misfit. Nothing wrong with that, but why deny it?

You don't think he's fit in well in New England?

He's been at an age where most players at his position see their productivity fade ... and yet no player in NFL history has caught more TD's in a 3 year span at any time in history than he has in his first three years in New England - and in one of those years .. he had Matt Cassell playing 16 games.

Cassel is a check down guy - and Moss basically transformed into an outside possession reciever that year and the team went 11-5.

Any smart person in his position in Minny and Oakland would have also been a misfit.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Very smart. Kiss up to me to get me to shut up. If only he were that bright.

Never... I told you repeat the questions, Ill be happy to answer. Its been 4 hours now.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Very smart. Kiss up to me to get me to shut up. If only he were that bright.

LOL

Originally Posted by GPK

Come on Hussy...greatest ass evah?

Wow... this thread just got a LOT better.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I want to vote on it. It's an invasion of privacy, and it's used by cops to racial profile. He was wrong for being drunk, but I want a white guy (in an SUV with tints ) to have the same chance of getting stopped. I do not believe it's the same chance. I'll tell you what is a danger to drive with, and that's driving while being in a phone conversation. That's a legit issue. Tinting is a b.s. reason to be stopping people.

Uh if the tint is too dark, aka, cant see in, then how can the cops tell who is black or who is white?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Never... I told you repeat the questions, Ill be happy to answer. Its been 4 hours now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwSiuX-A22g

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Never... I told you repeat the questions, Ill be happy to answer. Its been 4 hours now.

You're lying. I quoted them in this thread and you saw them. I'm not playing your game.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You don't think he's fit in well in New England?

He's been at an age where most players at his position see their productivity fade ... and yet no player in NFL history has caught more TD's in a 3 year span at any time in history than he has in his first three years in New England - and in one of those years .. he had Matt Cassell playing 16 games.

Cassel is a check down guy - and Moss basically transformed into an outside possession reciever that year and the team went 11-5.

Any smart person in his position in Minny and Oakland would have also been a misfit.

[Bigsmc]

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/article/122007

[golfer]

According to today's articles, the Jets as a team spoke about this program just last week. It is borderline incomprehensible that any of the 3 players would let this happen (Edwards, Ferguson and Gholston). It's not like they had just gone out for dinner and had a few beers, they were out "clubbing" until 5am.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

its the 'man'..

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Ok, lets go one by one.

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Here is a list of Randy Moss's off field issues.


Marshall plane crash
In a 1997 Sports Illustrated article, when discussing the 1970 Marshall plane crash, Randy Moss was quoted as saying, "The plane crash was before my time. I don't try to go back in the past and say this football game is for the people in the plane crash. I've seen the burial ground. I went up there and looked at the names. It was a tragedy, but it really wasn't nothing big." Moss claimed that the quote was taken out of context.

Who the hell cares?

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Traffic incident
On September 24, 2002 in downtown Minneapolis, Minnesota, Moss was driving and was preparing to make an illegal turn. A traffic control officer, noticing what he was about to do, stood in front of his car, ordering him to stop. Eyewitness accounts of the event differ at this point, but Moss did not comply with the officer's order, and she was bumped by his vehicle and fell to the ground. Moss was arrested, and a search of his vehicle revealed a small amount of marijuana. Initially charged with felony Suspicion of Assault with a Deadly Weapon and a misdemeanor marijuana possession, Moss pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor traffic violation and was ordered to pay a $1,200 fine and perform 40 hours of community service.

A traffic violation - a $1,200 fine - and 40 hours of community service. Again - who cares?

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Leaving the field during a game
During the last game of the 2004 regular season against the Washington Redskins and with two seconds remaining on the game clock, Moss walked off the field and into the locker room; critics criticized Moss for quitting on his team.Moss stated afterward that he didn’t think Minnesota, who ended up losing 21-18 to Washington, would recover the onside kick.

That was the year he missed 3 games with a hamstring injury - he was "questionable" on the injury report coming into that game - and made a few big catches despite running around like a wounded animal.

Had they somehow recovered the onside kick without the final two seconds running off of the clock - which they didn't. he would have still needed to limp back out on the field and runs 65 yards into the endzone for a last second hail mary try. This is the dumbest one of them all. He almost single handedly won them a road playoff game later that season.

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Playoff mooning incident
On January 9, 2005, the Minnesota Vikings traveled to division rival Green Bay to take on the heavily favored Packers in an NFC wildcard playoff game. Moss finished the game with 4 catches for 70 yards and two touchdowns in the 31-17 win. After the second score, Moss trotted to the end zone goalpost and, facing away from the crowd, feigned pulling down his pants to moon the Green Bay fans. TV announcer Joe Buck, calling the game, was incensed, calling it "a disgusting act" on-air. Days later, the NFL fined him $10,000, finding it "unsportsmanlike" and "offensive" during the playoffs. However, then-Indianapolis Colts head coach Tony Dungy, the former Vikings defensive coordinator, explained Moss' action by pointing out that Packers fans are infamous for actually mooning the buses of departing opponents after a loss, unlike Moss' fully-clothed imitation.

What was the crime here other than offending Joe Buck? He didn't even get flagged for it. The ref laughed.

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Marijuana use
In April 1996, Randy Moss smoked a joint just prior to turning himself in to jail. He was scheduled to finish the remainder of his 30 day sentence for misdemeanor battery while in high school. During his first week in jail, Moss was given a drug test that came back positive. He was placed in solitary confinement for a week and had 60 days attached to his 27 day sentence. Bobby Bowden revoked his scholarship and Moss was dismissed from Florida State University for the failed drug test.

Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported that Moss tested positive in 2001 for marijuana under the NFL's substance abuse program and was subject to additional random drug screening for two years. A first time violation of the NFL's drug policy can result in up to 10 tests per month. Moss has not failed an NFL drug test since, and was rotated out of the program after two years.

On September 24, 2002, Moss was involved in a traffic accident in downtown Minneapolis. The accident occurred when he tried to make an illegal U-Turn and slightly injured a traffic officer who stepped in front of his car. According to the police report, Officer Amy Zaccardi tried to order Moss to pull his 2002 Lexus over. When police searched his vehicle, they found a joint amounting to less than a gram in his ashtray. He was initially charged with two misdemeanors, one for careless driving and another for failing to obey a police officer. Moss spent the night in jail and was released the following morning. A week later, prosecutors added a charge of misdemeanor marijuana possession, which carried a fine of up to $200. Moss claimed that the joint was not his, and that he had let friends use his car prior to the accident.
In August 2005, during an interview with Bryant Gumbel, Moss admitted that he has smoked marijuana during his NFL career "every blue moon." When asked whether he still used marijuana currently, Moss replied "I might. I might have fun. And, you know, hopefully ... I won't get into any trouble by the NFL by saying that, you know. I have had fun throughout my years and, you know, predominantly in the offseason." The interview drew criticism from the league office, and his agent tried to spin it that his words were taken out of context. In response, Moss said "That was really me talking in the past tense of way back in the beginning of my career and my childhood -- especially in high school and college."

Weed? So what?

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Lack of effort
On November 14, 2006, Moss was honored for his success in college as a kick returner by having an award named after him, becoming only one of two black athletes (along with John Mackey) so honored. During the press conference, Moss responded to questions about his dropped passes and lackluster effort in several games, saying "Maybe because I'm unhappy and I'm not too much excited about what's going on, so, my concentration and focus level tend to go down sometimes when I'm in a bad mood." Days later, he reiterated his unhappiness with losing games and being a member of the Raiders on his weekly segment with Fox Sports Radio, saying, "I might want to look forward to moving somewhere else next year to have another start and really feel good about going out here and playing football."

On May 15, 2007, more than two weeks after the trade to New England, Moss was called out by his former Raiders coaches. His former offensive coordinator, Tom Walsh, who was fired from the Raiders after Oakland's 2–14 losing season, said of Moss, "Randy Moss is a player whose skills are diminishing, and he's in denial of those eroding skills...Randy was a great receiver, but he lacked the work ethic and the desire to cultivate any skills that would compensate for what he was losing physically later in his career." Walsh also reported that Moss told him, "'I'm too old to practice on Wednesday and Thursday, but I'm not too old to play on Sunday.'"However, Moss stated the losing seasons on the Oakland Raiders negatively affected his playing and discouraged him during the team's practice: "...Losing sometimes can get contagious, but as a player I can't let that settle in, and I think that's one of the things that bothered me [in Oakland]. I didn't want it to set in and it didn't set in. It was just really nerve-racking that it was hard for me to win."

In 2009, after a 20-10 win over the Carolina Panthers, Panthers cornerback Chris Gamble and safety Chris Harris accused Moss of giving up during the game. Gamble claimed Moss "gives up a lot" and that he "laid it down during the game", while Harris said "[Moss] kind of doesn't run the routes the way they're supposed to be run. If you get a jam on him, he'll ease up. ... If he can't get it going, he gets out of sync."Moss caught 1 pass for 16 yards, fumbled the ball once, and dropped a pass, as well as had a ball thrown at him picked off during the game. In response, Bill Belichick stated, "My response would be that's a lot of conversation coming from a team that just lost another game." Tom Brady noted that Gamble had many plays made on him as well.
[b]

Lack of effort with Oakland? He missed 3 games in Oakland .. here's a recap

* 20-0 home loss to the Rams

* 20-9 home loss to the Chiefs -

* 23-3 road loss to the Jets

No TD's in those 3 games - and they averaged 4 points a game. But yeah, if only he "tried" more ... Oakland would have been so much better. At least Minny managed a 22-21 come from behind home win against the Hapless Lions in one of the 3 games Moss missed with injury there. His teams are 1-5 in the six games he's missed.

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Dating Violence Allegations

On January 15, 2008, Orlando-based radio station WDBO reported that Moss "ha[d] been hit with a temporary injunction for protection against dating violence. According to the affidavit Moss committed a battery upon Rachelle Washington,[60] causing serious injury, and then refused to allow her to seek medical attention. The affidavit out of Broward County reveals Moss cannot come within 500 feet of the victim and cannot use or possess firearms."

The next day, in a locker room press conference, Moss claimed the woman was simply looking for money "over an accident," because her lawyer came to his lawyer, threatening a lawsuit, and asking for money to settle before she went public to the media. Moss stated he had known Washington for about eleven years. He also stated in his defense that he has never assaulted a woman in his entire life, and asked that the media and fans "find out the facts" before "rush[ing] to judgment." Moreover, Moss' lawyer, in an e-mail to the Boston Globe accused the woman's lawyer of "blatant threats and attempts to extort money" from Moss. On March 3, 2008, Rachelle Washington filed papers with the Broward County Circuit Court clerk's office requesting that the restraining order be dissolved and the case closed. No criminal charges were ever filed in the incident.

Not sure how a finger injury amounts to dating violence? Again, who cares?

It's all much ado about nothing.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Ok, lets go one by one.




Who the hell cares?



A traffic violation - a $1,200 fine - and 40 hours of community service. Again - who cares?



That was the year he missed 3 games with a hamstring injury - he was "questionable" on the injury report coming into that game - and made a few big catches despite running around like a wounded animal.

Had they somehow recovered the onside kick without the final two seconds running off of the clock - which they didn't. he would have still needed to limp back out on the field and runs 65 yards into the endzone for a last second hail mary try. This is the dumbest one of them all. He almost single handedly won them a road playoff game later that season.



What was the crime here other than offending Joe Buck? He didn't even get flagged for it. The ref laughed.



Weed? So what?




Lack of effort with Oakland? He missed 3 games in Oakland .. here's a recap

* 20-0 home loss to the Rams

* 20-9 home loss to the Chiefs -

* 23-3 road loss to the Jets

No TD's in those 3 games - and they averaged 4 points a game. But yeah, if only he "tried" more ... Oakland would have been so much better. At least Minny managed a 22-21 come from behind home win against the Hapless Lions in one of the 3 games Moss missed with injury there. His teams are 1-5 in the six games he's missed.



Not sure how a finger injury amounts to dating violence? Again, who cares?

It's all much ado about nothing.

You obviously haven't read the entire thread. How about you start there and then understand why I posted what I did.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You obviously haven't read the entire thread. How about you start there and then understand why I posted what I did.

Your post was a waste of time in the first place. The best football player of all time is now a misfit? Please...