Forcing the Ball

[The Indomitable DrugS]

This is what Brady needs to stop doing.



Cromartie has absolutely perfect position on Moss - and there is a deep safety over the top ... it's 2nd and freaking 3 yards to go. The entire middle of the field is wide open.

Instead of taking the gimmie - he fires a jump ball up that is ultimately intercepted by the deep safety. Game set match at that point.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

This is what Brady needs to stop doing.



Cromartie has absolutely perfect position on Moss - and there is a deep safety over the top ... it's 2nd and freaking 3 yards to go. The entire middle of the field is wide open.

Instead of taking the gimmie - he fires a jump ball up that is ultimately intercepted by the deep safety. Game set match at that point.

You guys say mention/think that he's the best reciever ever and now you're complaining about them throwing the ball to him when he's being covered man to man by someone not named Revis. You would think that's what you guys would want. The only reason that the saftey got there is because Moss tipped the ball twice. Was it a well thrown ball, absolutely not. Is it a play we have seen Randy Moss make many times in single coverage, yes.
Also you would think there are times when recievers are allowed to adjust their routes. If Moss is that good, why doesn't he recoginize things like that an eventually adjust?


Video of the interception
http://www.newyorkjets.com/photos-an...0-809046d81e3a

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

You guys say mention/think that he's the best reciever ever and now you're complaining about them throwing the ball to him when he's being covered man to man by someone not named Revis. You would think that's what you guys would want. The only reason that the saftey got there is because Moss tipped the ball twice. Was it a well thrown ball, absolutely not. Is it a play we have seen Randy Moss make many times in single coverage, yes.
Also you would think there are times when recievers are allowed to adjust their routes. If Moss is that good, why doesn't he recoginize things like that an eventually adjust?


Video of the interception
http://www.newyorkjets.com/photos-an...0-809046d81e3a

agree 100 perc..great recievers adjust the route to make the play.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

You guys say mention/think that he's the best reciever ever and now you're complaining about them throwing the ball to him when he's being covered man to man by someone not named Revis.

There's a safety deep over the top - it's only one on one if he runs a short underneath pattern ... which he won't be asked to do 98% of the time because his job is to stretch the defense and open up the middle of the field.

You don't force a ball into double coverage when you have a guy in the middle of the field and he's wide ass open.

I realize Brandon Tate's a second year guy - but if you can't trust him when he's wide open in space over the middle of the field .. when can you trust him?

Brady knows he missed that after the fact - and the game goes fast - but you know who truly is the best NFL reciever to ever live? It's the wide open one. And it's an easy throw when the wide open one just so happens to be in the middle of the field.

Cromartie is big, strong, can run very well ... and when he knows the guy he's covering is just going deep every time and there's a safety on the warning tracks back there - it's like a major leauge batter who knows the fastball is coming every pitch - and doesn't have to worry about a curveball or a slider or a change up.

Adjust how? If you have Moss working underneath in the middle of the field - what do you do with Welker and the tight ends? .. Welker is slower than friggen dirt and smaller than a circus midget .. guys like that are totally useless on the outside.

Guys have roles and you have to work as a team to win in football. It's not the NBA where you keep feeding your best player and he powers to the hoop everytime.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

agree 100 perc..great recievers adjust the route to make the play.

I can't believe the stupidity that I'm reading.

Yes - just ignore the guy wide ass open in the middle of the field - because there's a better reciever than him on the field - and even though he's double teamed and pinned against the sidelines compared to being wide open in the middle - so what? He's a better reciever.

This is like laughable.

[MaTH716]

Dougie, maybe they should mix it up. Don't send him on fly patterns every play. Give him an option to break a route off. Every ball to him doesn't have to be a home run, especially if he is being covered man to man. Look how much room Moss has towards the middle of the field in your graphic. I'm not arguing that Tate was open, but who would you look for first. Brady saw Moss in man to man and decided to throw his way.
It just seemed that things that were working for them in the first half stopped working in the second half and it seemed like the Pats didn't make any adjustments to the gameplan. They need to stop using him as a decoy going deep and have him run some routes where he can get involved and make some more plays.

[nebrady]

I agree they need to mix it up. But I felt they seemed to target moss too much in second half. Did they even throw it to welker? It just seemed they came out of the locker room like the game was over and the jets knew they had to win. Well see still 14 weeks left. Still think we win the division. The d is young and I'll still take our offense over anybody except maybe the saints. As long as brady keeps passing it to the young tight ends and walker we will be fine.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I can't believe the stupidity that I'm reading.

Yes - just ignore the guy wide ass open in the middle of the field - because there's a better reciever than him on the field - and even though he's double teamed and pinned against the sidelines compared to being wide open in the middle - so what? He's a better reciever.

This is like laughable.

the pats suck..bradys a punk, moss is not much anymore.and you have to deal with the reality that they may get to 5 wins this year..thats laughable

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I don't think they need to mix anything up. Moss and Welker have become Brady's crack cocaine.

Let Moss attack the deep safety - Let Welker attack the middle of the field underneath - if teams want to focus on putting a tight lid on those two - and are actually good enough to do it .. the two young tight ends and Brandon Tate and Eddellman should thrive. They weren't given a fair chance at all by Brady. Sure, Hernandez had 101 yards and caught all 6 balls thrown at him .. but Brady missed him when he was wide open for a TD on the strip sack that Jason Taylor made.

If they beat the Jets next time .. it's going to be because the lesser recievers are targeted a lot more.

[nebrady]

Drugs you didn't feel at all like moss was getting targeted too much? Also I think welker is the key receiver the more receptions he has the better and think brady never should have thrown the first interception to moss he had no chance to get it! Only good thing about it, was like a long punt. But then the defense didn't do its job and hold them at the goal line. Good thing is the ills are coming to foxboro!

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

the problem was and still is that brady was getting hit and he gets rattled when the d line is in his face as do most qbs.moss has no hart and if he gets hit 1 time he puts on panties the rest of the game..

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

the problem was and still is that brady was getting hit and he gets rattled when the d line is in his face as do most qbs.moss has no hart and if he gets hit 1 time he puts on panties the rest of the game..

You're basically making stuff up.

He's only been hit squarely with any force like 2 or 3 times in his entire career - and I don't ever remember him staying down or slowing down from a hit.

He's way bigger and stronger than all of the guys in the secondary - they wrap him.

Linebackers rarely risk going for the knockout when he comes over the middle - because if they whiff it's probably going to be a huge gainer.

The two injuries that Moss had in his entire career were both hamstring injuries and he missed 3 games from each. He does more running in a game than any player in NFL history - so he has a right to fade a little at the end - but he takes almost no punishment from hits.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by nebrady

I agree they need to mix it up. But I felt they seemed to target moss too much in second half. Did they even throw it to welker? It just seemed they came out of the locker room like the game was over and the jets knew they had to win. Well see still 14 weeks left. Still think we win the division. The d is young and I'll still take our offense over anybody except maybe the saints. As long as brady keeps passing it to the young tight ends and walker we will be fine.

The D might be young, but they are awful. I really think that is being ignored here. Did anyone watch the Jets/Ravens game? The Jets offense was nearly non existant in that game. A lot of that is the Ravens have an excellent defense and of course the Jets opened up the playbook in the Pats game.

But, the Pats D got picked apart. All we heard for a week was how Sanchez sucked. He looked like Montana againt the Pats.

I'd take the Colts offense over the Pats anyday.

[clyde]

This was the Browns receiver this past Sunday: X

Here is the Chiefs db covering him: OX





Now watch dummy Wallace's pass intended for the Browns receiver ( X ).

I have penciled in the flight of the ball:



Wallace-----------------------------OX


The Chief's db ,do you think he just may have intercepted this baby?

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by clyde

This was the Browns receiver this past Sunday: X

Here is the Chiefs db covering him: OX





Now watch dummy Wallace's pass intended for the Browns receiver ( X ).

I have penciled in the flight of the ball:



Wallace-----------------------------OX


The Chief's db ,do you think he just may have intercepted this baby?

If that throw was any slower, Flowers would had probably over-ran and miss the ball.

[clyde]

It is yet another example of a fix.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You're basically making stuff up.

He's only been hit squarely with any force like 2 or 3 times in his entire career - and I don't ever remember him staying down or slowing down from a hit.

He's way bigger and stronger than all of the guys in the secondary - they wrap him.

Linebackers rarely risk going for the knockout when he comes over the middle - because if they whiff it's probably going to be a huge gainer.

The two injuries that Moss had in his entire career were both hamstring injuries and he missed 3 games from each. He does more running in a game than any player in NFL history - so he has a right to fade a little at the end - but he takes almost no punishment from hits.

funny you remember what you want.he gets hit and then grows gator arms.
after they were fined for cheating,the whole franchise went down hill..

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY1njHU5A6Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-i8opcrAiE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFqBEFq12-I

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You're basically making stuff up.

He's only been hit squarely with any force like 2 or 3 times in his entire career - and I don't ever remember him staying down or slowing down from a hit.

He's way bigger and stronger than all of the guys in the secondary - they wrap him.

Linebackers rarely risk going for the knockout when he comes over the middle - because if they whiff it's probably going to be a huge gainer.

The two injuries that Moss had in his entire career were both hamstring injuries and he missed 3 games from each. He does more running in a game than any player in NFL history - so he has a right to fade a little at the end - but he takes almost no punishment from hits.

I don't remember Moss ever really getting laid out. I do think that he takes plays off, but he does seem to be running fly patterns on every play so it is understandable.
I also think that there have been occasions that he's pretty much just mailed it in. He is extremely talented, but when things aren't going his/his teams way he tends to disapear sometimes instead of trying to take the game over. Obviously he needs the QB to get him the ball, but there are times he just becomes invisable.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I've always been a big fan of this quote ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHipzGL4dwM


And, it's a pretty big reason why I put zero effort into handicapping football games - and just watch as a fan and don't bet a whole lot on a game when I do bet one.

There's way too much sh!t that you don't know, can't determine, and can't properly account for. A lot that you can't predict or even make an educated guess at.

A lot of games are determined by one or two big plays - sometimes by a bounce of the ball... but stuff like that will even out over time.

Baseball seems like such a cold numbers and situations game that suits me better. If I ever tried to bet a major sport it would be baseball ... I just can't stand baseball though. Guys like Coach Pants and Phil seem to do a really good job with football ... but in my mind, guys like that are like the Anti Meyer Lansky types. Meyer Lansky always seems to walk into the traps - where some guys have a good enough feel to survey the scene and consistantly be right a little more often than not.