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11-16-2010, 12:14 PM
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Spectacular Bid
Looking at the 70's the best I could - I have to think for sure he's the top rated horse since 1970.
He had that sprinter/miler pedigree and was basically a machine between the distances of 7 furlongs to 10 furlongs.  A perfect 24-for-24 record at 15 different tracks - 23 of the 24 wins coming by 1.5 lengths or more. 14 Grade 1 wins - a slew of track records set - a great champion at ages 2, 3, and 4 who ran in all regions. Certainly faced a lot of quality competition in all regions. A consistantly great speed figure horse as well. He was faster than Affirmed and Seattle Slew on Ragozin at both 3yo seasons VS 3yo seasons and 4yo seasons VS 4yo seasons. Secretariat was faster than the Bid in his three triple crown wins vs Bid's 3 triple crown races .. but overall .. he was as fast and a lot more consistant than "Big Red" at age 3 .. and unlike Secretariat - he actually came back for a 4-year-old season - improved and dominated. As we all know - that type of progression from age 3 to age 4 doesn't always happen. 
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11-16-2010, 12:15 PM
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Thanks for posting that freaks PPs
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11-16-2010, 12:25 PM
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Two things:
1. He lost. 2. Ergo, he stinks. Plus, come on, did he run in the last 40 years? Then he really couldn't have done much for horse racing, 24-24 between 7-10f or not.
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11-16-2010, 12:52 PM
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Can you please post Zenyatta's PPS to show just how much better she is than Spectacular Bid?
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11-16-2010, 01:05 PM
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The spacing of the races is amazing. I mean he just ran, took zero out of him and hed come back and jerk them again. Monster
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11-16-2010, 01:14 PM
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Here are cuts of a few good in-form So. Cal horses The Bid dismantled when he went out West. * Beau's Eagle (19-9-3-4 lifetime) didn't fare so well in his two meetings:  * Flying Paster (13-for-27 lifetime and voted California horse of the year in '78) he was basically owned by The Bid. Aaron Hesz swears Flying Paster was a sensationally good horse.  * Relaunch (not exactly the best of horses - but a damn good sire. He sired a Breeders Cup Classic winner in Skywalker - and was the dam sire of BC Classic winner Ghostzapper) He got destroyed by the Bid in two meetings.  * Valdez (8-for-16 lifetime classy Grade 1 winner)  Obviously, The Bid faced a lot better competition in the East ... but he just shipped out to So. Cal and absolutely curb stomped all of the best horses out there. He went 1:20 flat in the Malibu off a layoff.
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11-16-2010, 01:27 PM
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You weren't here when I posted the same breakdown 4 years ago. Its in the archives somewhere. The Bid is unmatched.
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11-16-2010, 01:35 PM
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He deserves the Diane Lane movie.
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11-16-2010, 02:15 PM
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Paster was a complete monster. He just was unlucky, historically speaking.
I was a big fan of Valdez. He sired an early favorite of mine, Basic Rate.
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11-16-2010, 02:44 PM
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These horses were before my time, so I can't say definitively, but when you factor in Secretariat's superiority at distances beyond 10f - and the ability he showed on turf - I have hard time saying anyone is "for sure" better than him historically. I think you're right that if you look only at running 7f-10f on the dirt, the Bid is probably the best ever. But as I know you know well, that isn't all there is to the sport. Could Sec have dominated a 7f race like the Malibu the way the Bid did? I'm guessing probably not. But could the Bid do what Sec did in the Belmont and the Man O' War? Probably not.
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11-16-2010, 02:59 PM
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His schedule leading-up to the Kentucky Derby is insane by today's standards... Hutch/Foy/Fla/Flamingo/Blue Grass... many Derby starters don't even have that many starts period.
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11-16-2010, 03:02 PM
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11-16-2010, 03:29 PM
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It was also a 3-year-old Spectacular Bid VS a 4-year-old Affirmed. Len Ragozin wrote a book many years ago called 'The Odds Must Be Crazy' - it was a very good read - but he comes across as a braggart of epic proportions. I'm talking multiple 100/1 shots winners - scoring huge on an imposter horse at 57/1 in a famous betting coup - and even making a $51,000 boxing bet against his idol Muhammed Ali in the fight Holmes destroyed him. Anyway, he writes about proposing a deal with Affirmed's owner for a $50,000 bet between the two - double booking - with Ragozin taking The Bid. He mentioned that Spectacular Bid was actually consistently faster as a 3yo than Affirmed was as a 4yo...and Affirmed was obviously one of the great 4yo's of all-time. Spectacular Bid's dam was a Northern Cal sprinter - and he was shockingly beat at 12fs in the Belmont by horses he owned. If you watch the race with Affirmed - it was a total tactical defeat and Bid really ran the better of the two. Affirmed was allowed unpressed on the lead through a 25 flat first quarter. Basically, the trainer and jockey of the Bid were more worried about him getting the distance than they were about Affirmed. Pincay rode a brilliant race and floated the Bid out on both turns .. he actually seemed to cross into his path turning for home..and the Bid had to dive inside of Affirmed for the stretch run despite being floated wider both turns .. he made up some ground through the stretch but came up less than a length short. Secretariat and Affirmed both suffered defeats to older horses at age 3 on two occasions each. Seattle Slew put in a non-effort in his only start after the triple crown when drubbed out West in the Swaps. A great 4-year-old should be able to beat a great 3-year-old the majority of the time.
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11-16-2010, 03:40 PM
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His wins were almost all by open lengths . He is laid to rest in his entirety at Milfer Farm, atop a scenic, windswept hill in upstate NY.
Feb 17, 1973 - June 9, 2003
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11-16-2010, 03:41 PM
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To me - Secretariat is hands down the greatest 3-year-old of all-time in terms of how he performed in the triple crown series. It's not even close. But the triple crown series isn't the be all - end all. Mine That Bird ran strongly in it - while horses like Skip Away didn't - and others like Tiznow missed it. However - Secretariat actually ran 3 pretty darn slow races in his preps leading into the Derby. They found a tooth abscess after his sound Wood Memorial defeat to Angle Light. Obviously he was a brand new horse again after that. He was defeated in two of his three dirt races against older males. Prove Out absolutely smoked him at 12 furlongs. Big Red's two turf races were both GREAT - but you're talking about American turf racing. In terms of attempting to rate them - Big Red and Bid are close through their 2yo and 3yo season .. the deciding factor for me is one ran at 4 and the other didn't.
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