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[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

He's obviously done much more on big stages than Baze, but I can see where the comparison comes from with him staying in NY all winter getting just about every live mount rather than going to Gulfstream to ride against real competition.

Yeah, but doesn't he beat the competition he'd see at Gulfstream the rest of the year? When Dominguez was riding at Delaware I could see the comparison, but the guy has owned NY for a couple of seasons now.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Yeah, but doesn't he beat the competition he'd see at Gulfstream the rest of the year? When Dominguez was riding at Delaware I could see the comparison, but the guy has owned NY for a couple of seasons now.

Exactly. The BC was disappointing for Dominguez this year, but he had as many wins as Julien Leparoux, who had more and much higher quality mounts. The fact that he hasn't been able to get horses like Homeboykris and Desert Party to the winner's circle in the Derby doesn't make me think any less of him. He got two ITM finishes out of First Dude this year and that was a pretty strong feat.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

He's obviously done much more on big stages than Baze, but I can see where the comparison comes from with him staying in NY all winter getting just about every live mount rather than going to Gulfstream to ride against real competition.

So if Kobe Bryant scores 40 against Memphis he's another Tony Campbell....regardless of what he does the rest of the season or during his career?

It's a horrible analogy for the reasons the last two posters pointed out.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Exactly. The BC was disappointing for Dominguez this year, but he had as many wins as Julien Leparoux, who had more and much higher quality mounts. The fact that he hasn't been able to get horses like Homeboykris and Desert Party to the winner's circle in the Derby doesn't make me think any less of him. He got two ITM finishes out of First Dude this year and that was a pretty strong feat.

He was just unlucky this year as he ran into both Uncle Mo and Goldikova while running second in both.

What probably goes unnoticed is that he got the connections of Joyful Victory (12-1) and Forest Legend (73-1) checks by running 4th and 5th respectively.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So if Kobe Bryant scores 40 against Memphis he's another Tony Campbell....regardless of what he does the rest of the season or during his career?

It's a horrible analogy for the reasons the last two posters pointed out.

That's a pretty bad analogy as well. One game vs. Memphis = 3+ months of the year? It'd be more like Kobe deciding to play in the D-League for over a quarter of the season.

He's obviously a very good rider who's had tremendous success in NY, but he has a history of taking the relatively easy career path, and it hurts his reputation. And until he rides against top riders all 12 months, that perception will still persist among some.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

That's a pretty bad analogy as well. One game vs. Memphis = 3+ months of the year? It'd be more like Kobe deciding to play in the D-League for over a quarter of the season.

He's obviously a very good rider who's had tremendous success in NY, but he has a history of taking the relatively easy career path, and it hurts his reputation. And until he rides against top riders all 12 months, that perception will still persist among some.

Actually it's a very good analogy in this instance. Ignoring his success against the best riders the rest of the year, in this case, is fitting the circumstance to suit an agenda.

You act like I suggested Memphis was his only game....I could have listed a quarter of the season against non-competition, but assumed that was implicit. The analogy is exactly right.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

That's a pretty bad analogy as well. One game vs. Memphis = 3+ months of the year? It'd be more like Kobe deciding to play in the D-League for over a quarter of the season.

He's obviously a very good rider who's had tremendous success in NY, but he has a history of taking the relatively easy career path, and it hurts his reputation. And until he rides against top riders all 12 months, that perception will still persist among some.

In all fairness, and I'm not Dominguez's attorney, he stayed in Delaware as long as he did because of his family. He got to a point where he was ready to move them to NY and that's why he's there year round. He can also make a terrific amount of money riding the inner track in the winter.

Russell Baze riding in NoCal for his entire career and never even really giving SoCal a go is much more egregious than Dominguez riding at Delaware and the winter in NY for a few years before riding in NY full-time. I get as much out of the Dominguez-Baze comparison as most people do out of the Zenyatta-Peppers Pride version.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Actually it's a very good analogy in this instance. Ignoring his success against the best riders the rest of the year, in this case, is fitting the circumstance to suit an agenda.

You act like I suggested Memphis was his only game....I could have listed a quarter of the season against non-competition, but assumed that was implicit. The analogy is exactly right.

It is well documented that few people on the planet take analogies as seriously as Andy. Though for the record, I think we need further debate on this Kobe/Memphis issue. Andy could lose this one. COULD!!!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Actually it's a very good analogy in this instance. Ignoring his success against the best riders the rest of the year, in this case, is fitting the circumstance to suit an agenda.

You act like I suggested Memphis was his only game....I could have listed a quarter of the season against non-competition, but assumed that was implicit. The analogy is exactly right.

I don't agree. Kobe doesn't make his schedule, Dominguez does. When Kobe plays against crappy teams, it's because the NBA told him to. He wouldn't be actively choosing to play against garbage teams for 3 months. No one's ignoring his success against top riders, the point is that he's not testing himself 12 months of the year like other top riders do and that puts some people off.

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

In all fairness, and I'm not Dominguez's attorney, he stayed in Delaware as long as he did because of his family. He got to a point where he was ready to move them to NY and that's why he's there year round. He can also make a terrific amount of money riding the inner track in the winter.

Russell Baze riding in NoCal for his entire career and never even really giving SoCal a go is much more egregious than Dominguez riding at Delaware and the winter in NY for a few years before riding in NY full-time. I get as much out of the Dominguez-Baze comparison as most people do out of the Zenyatta-Peppers Pride version.

As Coach once said, no other jockeys have families. Only Dominguez. While I agree that the Dominguez/Baze analogy is ultimately unfair, it seems inarguable to me that Dominguez is still taking the easy road 3+ months of the year and he has a history of doing that.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by justindew

It is well documented that few people on the planet take analogies as seriously as Andy. Though for the record, I think we need further debate on this Kobe/Memphis issue. Andy could lose this one. COULD!!!

I could have used Minnesota....or Sacremento....or the Clippers in the beginning of the season....or the Wizards......or the Nets.....or Cavs....or Detroit.....or the Warriors...or Pistons.....or Bobcats......but I didn't realize someone would embarrass themselves with the kind of response I got.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I don't agree. Kobe doesn't make his schedule, Dominguez does. When Kobe plays against crappy teams, it's because the NBA told him to. He wouldn't be actively choosing to play against garbage teams for 3 months. No one's ignoring his success against top riders, the point is that he's not testing himself 12 months of the year like many other riders do and that puts some people off.



As Coach once said, no other jockeys have families. Only Dominguez. While I agree that the Dominguez/Baze analogy is unfair, it seems inarguable that Dominguez is still taking the easy road 3+ months of the year and he has a history of doing that.

His wife = NBA front office.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I don't agree. Kobe doesn't make his schedule, Dominguez does. When Kobe plays against crappy teams, it's because the NBA told him to. He wouldn't be actively choosing to play against garbage teams for 3 months. No one's ignoring his success against top riders, the point is that he's not testing himself 12 months of the year and that puts some people off.

You and Chuck must be having a competition on who is willing to belabor a poor opinion longer. I admire your fortitiude....but not much else ( in this case ).

I still like you.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I could have used Minnesota....or Sacremento....or the Clippers in the beginning of the season....or the Wizards......or the Nets.....or Cavs....or Detroit.....or the Warriors...or Pistons.....or Bobcats......but I didn't realize someone would embarrass themselves with the kind of response I got.

But you should have. Considering the amount of time you have been here, I expect more, in all honesty.

I've decided that your analogy is valid and relevant, though poorly delivered. And this poor delivery has cost you the win. As much as I hate to say it, Ateam is the victor here.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by justindew

But you should have. Considering the amount of time you have been here, I expect more, in all honesty.

I've decided that your analogy is valid and relevant, though poorly delivered. And this poor delivery has cost you the win. As much as I hate to say it, Ateam is the victor here.

Thanks.

I laughed.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Thanks.

I laughed.

And Dew is on the board after 44 months.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

And Dew is on the board after 44 months.

You forgot about my Charles Town story from this fall. Also, I still say I deserve mad props for correctly tabbing Zanjero as a Grade I-caliber horse, even though injury and poor timing cost him his Grade I.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

And Dew is on the board after 44 months.

Think of how long it took Van Gogh.





























Now THAT'S a bad analogy.

[ateamstupid]

I dunno, he seems like the kinda weirdo who'd lop off an appendage and give it to some whore.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Think of how long it took Van Gogh.


Now THAT'S a bad analogy.

I prefer to be judged on my blogging, Tweeting, and Facebook posting rather than my body of work here on DT (which has admittedly been sub-par).

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by justindew

I prefer to be judged on my blogging, Tweeting, and Facebook posting rather than my body of work here on DT (which has admittedly been sub-par).

You used your experiences here to eventually hone your social networking skills?