All time best horses - Page 2

Cannon Shell · #21 02-04-2011, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

I don't consider the BCC an inferior race.

What about the 17 other mostly inferior races?

Cannon Shell · #22 02-04-2011, 03:37 PM

The funny thing about Zenyatta is that she is stricty an Americn vice. The year end Int'l weights had her at 125 which was 3 pounds less than Quality Road and Blme.

randallscott35 · #23 02-04-2011, 03:37 PM

I rank Blame 11th.

somerfrost · #24 02-04-2011, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Using that logic how is Tiznow rated below Zenyatta? Didn't he win the Classic twice? Are her narrow, all out wins over the weak fillies that she faced more impressive?

When you sit down and write down her list of accomplishments and compare to others she is usually dwarfed in achievment. She won a bunch of the same old, synthetic races in CA over and over. The Apple Blossom is NOT big race in this country.

Tiznow was 15/8-4-2. Zenyatta ran as hard as she needed to, margain of victory may not be impressive but her races certainly were. In a way, she reminds one of Kincsem who would often spot the field many lengths while grazing as the race began only to run them down at will.

miraja2 · #25 02-04-2011, 03:42 PM

Zenyatta 7 spots in front of Affirmed huh?

The idea that Zenyatta would have posted a record as good as Affirmed did running against Alydar, Spectacular Bid, Exceller, Seattle Slew, Coastal and Sensitive Prince the way Affirmed did strikes me as beyond impossible.

But if we don't look at it that way and just looked at who accomplished more on the racetrack in their career by winning big races etc.....oh wait.....Affirmed should still be WAY ahead of Zenyatta.

miraja2 · #26 02-04-2011, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

In a way, she reminds one of Kincsem

True. They both raced against the local farmers' donkeys a bunch of times and people made a big deal out of them emerging victorious.

somerfrost · #27 02-04-2011, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

I rank Blame 11th.

So what are your other 18 top ranked horses?

Sightseek · #28 02-04-2011, 03:53 PM

Evening Attire is high on my list. He was really, really old for a racehorse and came from behind and still won. That has to mean something.

somerfrost · #29 02-04-2011, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

Evening Attire is high on my list. He was really, really old for a racehorse and came from behind and still won. That has to mean something.

Raced through 10yo season...69/15-16-9. Certainly a hard knocking one!

Antitrust32 · #30 02-04-2011, 04:17 PM

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Those who know me are aware that I maintain an "all time best top 100" list just to maintain some knowledge of the sport and it's history. Obviously this is a highly subjective undertaking and just one old railbird's opinion. Not to overly bore folks, here is my updated top 20:
(1) Secretariat (1970)...simply the best
(2) Kincsem (1874)...towers above others of her generation
(3) Ribot (1952)...record speaks for itself
(4) Man O War (1917)...wish they hadn't ducked Exterminator
(5) Citation (1945)...defines "Warhorse"
(6) Sea Bird (1962)...Arc wonder
(7) Flying Childers (1715)...first great one
(8) Spectacular Bid (1976)...should have won TC
(9) Count Fleet (1940)...vastly underrated
(10) Native Dancer (1950)...great sire but don't forget races
(11) Zenyatta (2004)...either love her or not
(12) Eclipse (1764)...father of modern day horses
(13) St Simon (1881)
(14) Kelso (1957)
(15) Ruffian ((1972)
(16) War Admiral (1934)
(17) Seattle Slew (1974)
(18) Affirmed (1975)
(19) Colin (1905)
(20) Exterminator (1915)

this list is pure garbage. Please keep pumping money into pari-mutuel pools.

Antitrust32 · #31 02-04-2011, 04:18 PM

You left off Peppers Pride and Hallowed Dreams.

somerfrost · #32 02-04-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

this list is pure garbage. Please keep pumping money into pari-mutuel pools.

Again, easy to be critical...lot less work to call someone's efforts garbage than to actually do work yourself and defend your opinions.

Antitrust32 · #33 02-04-2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Again, easy to be critical...lot less work to call someone's efforts garbage than to actually do work yourself and defend your opinions.

I just hope you didnt spend too much effort on this this list.

Zenyatta at 11 basically defends all opinions.

She is the only horse on that list born after 1976, yet you could probably make a list of 100 horses since then 1976 that were better than her. Including Blame, who just beat her a couple months ago.

Zenyatta is better than Easy Goer? Cigar? Ghostzapper? Point Given?

How about just the females since 1976. Go For Wand and Open Mind would have eaten her for lunch. Lady's Secret, Princess Rooney, Winning Colors, Genuine Risk, Silverbulletday, Life's Magic, Heavenly Prize, Serena's Song, Personal Ensign, Bayakoa, Paseana, Inside Information, Azeri....

I wont include Rachel for obvious reasons but the female horses I listed above were just as good or better than Zenyatta since 1976.

Now just think if I listed male horses.

somerfrost · #34 02-04-2011, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I just hope you didnt spend too much effort on this this list.

Zenyatta at 11 basically defends all opinions.

She is the only horse on that list born after 1976, yet you could probably make a list of 100 horses since then 1976 that were better than her. Including Blame, who just beat her a couple months ago.

Zenyatta is better than Easy Goer? Cigar? Ghostzapper? Point Given?

How about just the females since 1976. Go For Wand and Open Mind would have eaten her for lunch. Lady's Secret, Princess Rooney, Winning Colors, Genuine Risk, Silverbulletday, Life's Magic, Heavenly Prize, Serena's Song, Personal Ensign, Bayakoa, Paseana, Inside Information, Azeri....

I wont include Rachel for obvious reasons but the female horses I listed above were just as good or better than Zenyatta since 1976.

Now just think if I listed male horses.

Much better post...I obviously disagree but at least you named names. Since 1976, I have I have 16 horses included in my top 100, some of which you named (Cigar, Point Given, Lady's Secret, Personal Ensign). But it's hard to include others you named against the likes of those on my list. Again, just my opinion but my research has determined that I prefer them to others.

Dahoss · #35 02-04-2011, 05:33 PM

Where is Holy Bull on your list?

somerfrost · #36 02-04-2011, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

Where is Holy Bull on your list?

#88....just below Dancing Brave (87) and before Parole (89)

The Indomitable DrugS · #37 02-04-2011, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Again, easy to be critical...lot less work to call someone's efforts garbage than to actually do work yourself and defend your opinions.

You'd have a better shot of defending Ted Bundy than that list.

Dahoss · #38 02-04-2011, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

#88....just below Dancing Brave (87) and before Parole (89)

And Point Given is where on the list? I won't give you a hard time about Zenyatta being 11, because I think even you know how silly it is.

The Indomitable DrugS · #39 02-04-2011, 07:07 PM

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I won't give you a hard time about Zenyatta being 11, because I think even you know how silly it is.

The horse he has rated #7 that was foaled in 1715 - that horse didn't debut until age 6 - only ran six times in his career - and half of his six wins came by walkover.

That list is actually a pretty clever troll job in my opinion.

Dahoss · #40 02-04-2011, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The horse he has rated #7 that was foaled in 1715 - that horse didn't debut until age 6 - only ran six times in his career - and half of his six wins came by walkover.

That list is actually a pretty clever troll job in my opinion.

Yeah well it's easy to be critical.