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02-08-2011, 09:16 AM
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Divisional best by decade since 1900
There are a great many variables that go into handicapping a race. Handicapping completed careers is far easier - you're simply comparing an entire racing career with another, in division, from a relatively similar time period in history.
Horses are rated divisionally - by decade - based on accomplishment and ability. Hence horses who had superior ability at peak (like Formal Gold and Candy Ride types of recent) will be rated behind the slightly less monsterous who campaigned hard and achieved a lot more. I've put even a little less emphasis on peak ability than in the past - because it is so much harder to uncover it in charts and pp's with old, old-time horses. 1900's: 2yo: Colin 3yo's: Sysonby, Fitz Herbert, Hermis, Colin Older horse: Hermis, Ballot, Roseben, King James 1910's: 2yo: Man O' War 3yo: Roamer, Sir Barton, Friar Rock, The Finn Older horse: Whisk Broom, Old Rosebud, Roamer, Cudgel 1920's: 2yo: Morvich 3yo: Man O' War, Reigh Count, Grey Lag, Crusader Older horse: Exterminator, Sarazen, Sun Beau, Chance Play 1930's: 2yo: Top Flight (f) 3yo: War Admiral, Gallant Fox, Twenty Grand, Omaha Older horse: Discovery, Equipoise, Seabiscuit, War Admiral 1940's: 2yo: Count Fleet 3yo: Citation, Whirlaway, Count Fleet, Assault Older horse: Whirlaway, Armed, Coaltown, Challedon 1950's: 2yo: Native Dancer 3yo: Native Dancer, Bold Ruler, Swaps, Sword Dancer Older horse: Round Table, Tom Fool, Swaps, Nashua 1960's: 2yo: Buckpasser 3yo: Damascus, Buckpasser, Arts and Letters, Kelso Older horse: Kelso, Dr. Fager, Gun Bow, Native Diver 1970's: 2yo: Ruffian (f) 3yo: Secretariat, Spectacular Bid, Affirmed, Alydar Older horse: Forego, Affirmed, Ack Ack, Seattle Slew 1980's: 2yo: Easy Goer 3yo: Sunday Silence, Easy Goer, Spend A Buck, Conquistador Cielo Older horse: Spectacular Bid, Alysheba, John Henry, Ferdinand 1990's: 2yo: Favorite Trick 3yo: Holy Bull, Silver Charm, Skip Away, Unbridled Older horse: Skip Away, Cigar, Criminal Type, Gentlemen 2000-to-2009: 2yo: War Pass 3yo: Smarty Jones, Tiznow, Point Given, Bernardini Older horse: Ghostzapper, Mineshaft, Medaglia D' Oro, Invasor Best since 1900: 2yo: Native Dancer 3yo: Citation, Secretariat, Spectacular Bid, Damascus Older horse: Kelso, Forego, Discovery, Spectacular Bid If you're more partial to old, old-time horses than I am - Colin is your 2yo and rate Discovery ahead of Forego and Equipoise ahead of Spectacular Bid. While the 1900's through the 1920's was tricky - so few horses actually raced that it wasn't a tough process to identify who the seven or so best were and to - in some cases - try and split hairs. The best 3yo from '00 to '09 is brutal though. Smarty Jones could almost as easily been rated 9th best as best. 
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02-08-2011, 09:33 AM
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Hard to leave Curlin off the list both 3 year old and older 2000-2009.
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02-08-2011, 10:20 AM
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I was a fan of Curlin but he's very hard to include as an older horse. His big celebrated win as an older horse was a very weak Dubai World Cup.
He for sure could be included as a 3-year-old. That was a total case of splitting hairs - but those sound defeats in the Derby and Haskell and losing to Rags to Riches in the Belmont don't help him. The older horses were awful when he was around.
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02-08-2011, 10:34 AM
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Bless your heart putting Mineshaft in there. Flowers coming to Erie.
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02-08-2011, 10:51 AM
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Mineshaft, Medaglia D' Oro, Congaree, Candy Ride all at their peak the same year. They sometimes made horses look hopelessly common who would be handicap superstars today.
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02-08-2011, 11:15 AM
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02-08-2011, 11:30 AM
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I don't think SL was quite as good as Ghostzapper, Mineshaft, or MDO - he had some races that could beat Invasor, but I think Invasor beat a lot better BC Classic field.
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02-08-2011, 11:56 AM
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This was his form going into the 1914 Kentucky Derby:  Here's the chart of his KY Derby win:  He won the KY Derby by 8 lengths at 4/5 odds - shaved 1.40 seconds off of the track record on a track that wasn't even yielding times all that fast. Good solid male sprinters went 6f in 1:13 3/5 in one race and 1:14 in another race - so 2:03 2/5 at Churchill is booking. The strong 2nd choice was a clear 2nd. He later won a bunch stakes at Churchill - including the Clark Handicap two years in a row. Big gaps all over. That's a race you'd project a figure in like the low 120's for. Old Rosebud gets hurt in his very next race after the KY Derby and is laid off for 3 years. He returns off of a 3-year layoff and wins 15 of 21 races and gets credited as Horse of the Year as a 6yo.
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02-08-2011, 12:01 PM
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surprised more people dont know about this one even though from 1914, what a record, adn also amazing after that 3 yrs off
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02-08-2011, 12:52 PM
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Old Rosebud would have been a PETA case had he died in 2011 rather than 1922.
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02-08-2011, 01:27 PM
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02-08-2011, 02:34 PM
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02-08-2011, 02:45 PM
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He was named Horse of the Year in 2007 and 2008, and was also Champion 3-year-old in 2007 and Champion Older Male in 2008. Some of his major wins include the Breeders' Cup Classic, Jockey Club Gold Cup (twice), Dubai World Cup, Preakness, Rebel, Arkansas Derby, Stephen Foster Handicap, and Woodward Stakes. Curlin retired with 11 wins in 16 starts and earnings of over $10.5 million, the most ever by a thoroughbred race horse.
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02-08-2011, 03:00 PM
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I tend to agree with the original list, but have not yet taken the time for my own research. Certainly no one on there simply dosn't belong.
Curlin won a bunch of important races and had a very good career but at 3 he lost the Belmont to a filly and the Haskell which he shouldn't have. (I am willing to give his Derby a pass as he was still very much a work in progress at the time, having just debuted on Feb 7.) I guess in retrospect they should have passed on the grass experiment and manybe loked at the Foster (I don't have dates here, but I'm guessing that it was close in time to the grass race.) Like many modern horses they picked and chose their spots to avoid certain rivals and meet the easiest fields, then stood back and said "See how great he is!"
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02-08-2011, 03:13 PM
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02-08-2011, 03:34 PM
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Some great inclusions in there Doug...
Challedon is a horse not nearly enough people know about. Gun Bow another that whose praises aren't sung enough. Devil Diver merits an honorable mention in the 40's, no? And what do you do in a survey like this with my favorite, Gallorette?
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