Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Unions are great for people in unions and terrible for everyone and everything else. In 1915 they were essential. Now for the most part they are just a drain on the rest of us.

I disagree. They are great if you are part of the leadership, the corruption. My union was trying to screw our group out of our positions and the company refused to go along with it.

Never mind voting - that is an absolute joke. It's a lot like Cook county
find out how many you need before you count them.

[Danzig]

i worked for several years at the schools here. they passed block scheduling a few years ago. the teachers teach three classes a day at 1 1/2 hours per class. it is a sweet gig. 178 days a year with kids in front of you. wknds, holidays, more vacation time than any other profession. yep, it's rough.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I had a roommate who was a teacher in the public school system. She worked from 7AM every morning (she left for work at 6:30) until about 11PM at night (when she got home she went straight to grading papers and preparing lessons). Between end-of-year stuff and preparing for the upcoming year, she only had about one month where I'd say she wasn't working. Great gig.

Schools get out at 2-3 in the afternoon. You want us to believe your friend willingly worked 8 extra hours a day AFTER classes? What did she teach? Nuclear physics?

[AeWingnut]

Riot would agree with this 2 word vocabulary guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz3v3Paar_M

[Danzig]

tony was just flipping channels. landed on international house hunters. lo and behold, a cali schoolteacher looking to buy a second home in italy. her quote-i have tons of time off...

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Schools get out at 2-3 in the afternoon. You want us to believe your friend willingly worked 8 extra hours a day AFTER classes? What did she teach? Nuclear physics?

or sex ed

[Danzig]

interesting article, on the stimulus, state govts, wisconsin, etc


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41650031/ns/politics/

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

Riot would agree with this 2 word vocabulary guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz3v3Paar_M

See what the guy chanting "Zenyatta" at Del Mar has spawned.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

"Walker wants most public workers — except for police, firefighters and state troopers — to pay more of their pension and health care costs.Walker would also limit pay increases to the inflation rate (currently less than 2 percent) unless voters OK’d larger raises via referendum. Again he’d exempt police, firefighters and troopers from that pay lid. Most controversially, he wants to curb the power of public-sector employee unions, ending collective bargaining rights for state workers (other than law enforcement officers), except over the issue of wages."


Why the favoritism for certain professions? This is flawed. He's exempting people that probably didn't even have to go to college to get their jobs. What brilliant line of thinking resulted in this beauty?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

"Your state" is the front page story on all American news outlets, some internationals, and what is happening there is related to what is happening in Ohio, Florida, etc. and Washington.

Nobody has to "stay out of your state" and ignore the story.


you don't live here, you don't vote here and you don't pay taxes here, worry about your own state

But not for what their current contracts say they can. All their collective bargaining rights are being eliminated, except being able to bargain base pay only and only up to the consumer price index. That is virtually nothing. Pennies.

First: Walker is arbitrarily cutting benefits, without sitting down and talking to the Unions about what they can give or sacrifice. That's his right, I suppose. Although I would think he'd bargain, because during his campaign he said he'd work with unions, and now he's not. He's a liar, but most politicians are. Nothing wrong with cutting benefits when there is a deficit, and the unions said they are willing to work with him. Why Walker is ignoring that is a puzzlement. This isn't much of an issue, really.



"Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters."

Can you guess if this was a republican or a democratic quote.


Walker did sneak this bill in last Friday, unannounced, and literally try to sneak it through with little debate. Why? The second reason, below:


Nothing was snuck thru. Walker campaigned on this, did this in Milwaukee to the best of his ability and spoke about it after elected and in his inagural speech. If you are surprised by this one you are an idiot or 2 you don't live here and have no clue

Second: the most important thing, the thing completely unrelated to any "deficit" busting, and why 30,000 are in the capital, is Walkers sneaky plan for elimination of collective bargaining. That's straight up Union busting, plain and simple. That has zero to do with any deficit. Nothing at all.

Why is Walker trying to bust up the unions? Because the unions were the three biggest contributors to the Democratic party the last election cycle. The Republican Governors Association has instructed the Govs to try and union-bust in 2011, prior to the next election cycle, to eliminate Democratic financing in the top ten corporate contributors to candidate financing (the other 7 are private Republican donating corporations) Control the money, control the election outcomes.

Don't you find it funny Walker has exempted police and fire from his union-busting? Why police and fire, but not prison guards? Because those are the two unions that contributed to his campaign. It's just political campaign payback.


Except the off-duty police and fire unions are siding with the unions under attack.
[b]

again false. not all of those unions backed walker. Those unions also affect public safety. Teachers do not


And by the way? Many of the Green Bay Packers - union men - are supporting the teachers.

I love the packers but when it comes to politics and real issues athletes and movie stars and the last people I want advice from. They are not in the same reality that most working class tax payers are.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

"Walker wants most public workers — except for police, firefighters and state troopers — to pay more of their pension and health care costs.Walker would also limit pay increases to the inflation rate (currently less than 2 percent) unless voters OK’d larger raises via referendum. Again he’d exempt police, firefighters and troopers from that pay lid. Most controversially, he wants to curb the power of public-sector employee unions, ending collective bargaining rights for state workers (other than law enforcement officers), except over the issue of wages."


Why the favoritism for certain professions? This is flawed. He's exempting people that probably didn't even have to go to college to get their jobs. What brilliant line of thinking resulted in this beauty?

Police, Fire Fighter's jobs affect public safety. If you have an extra 2 kids in class I don't think the public's safety is at risk

The dismissive tone in this thread for teachers is a little unsettling.

If you've ever been in a classroom after 1990 or are friends with a teacher then you would know that they are up against it. These liberal p.ussy-fart laws have made it nearly impossible to maintain discipline and it has resulted in numerous teachers giving up.

These are your "bad" teachers. Sure there are some that are naturally bad, but the majority have given up. Frustrated and disillusioned and controlled by a central office that might as well be a Eunuch's den.

The reality is some of these kids should be post-natal aborted. They are a drain on society and their parents should be fixed like dogs.

[SOREHOOF]

Public sector unions are making political donations with taxpayer dollars nation wide. This is the biggest money laundering scheme in history.

[dellinger63]

This is how a WI town with a volunteer Fire Department is protesting today!


http://www.gordysboats.com/AboutGord...tyontheIce.asp

[AeWingnut]

I believe

if you closed all of the public schools today

all the kids of parents that want their kids educated will and
the ones that just want free day care and free meals will still get that

in Illinois 4% of girls under 18 end up pregnant and living off the state.
this adds up to too fn many real damn quick.

the hell with schools
lets build prisons

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Police, Fire Fighter's jobs affect public safety. If you have an extra 2 kids in class I don't think the public's safety is at risk

Police, firefighters and state police all supported the governor in the election, the others did not...has nothing to do with public safety, just another political payback!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

The dismissive tone in this thread for teachers is a little unsettling.

If you've ever been in a classroom after 1990 or are friends with a teacher then you would know that they are up against it. These liberal p.ussy-fart laws have made it nearly impossible to maintain discipline and it has resulted in numerous teachers giving up.

These are your "bad" teachers. Sure there are some that are naturally bad, but the majority have given up. Frustrated and disillusioned and controlled by a central office that might as well be a Eunuch's den.

The reality is some of these kids should be post-natal aborted. They are a drain on society and their parents should be fixed like dogs.

i'm only dismissive of them insofar as their wages are concerned. i know they have a tough time because current parenting practices absolutely suck. kids self esteem is the chief concern, when in fact kids who get in a ton of trouble generally have very high self esteem. people seem to want to compete with others by seeing who can spoil their child the most, spend the most, have the best clothes, toys, involved in the most sports and activities, etc. they're not doing their child a favor by making them feel extra special and deserving of everything they want. kids grow up with a huge sense of entitlement, they too seldom hear the word 'no' anymore. and they think teachers are supposed to show them respect.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Police, firefighters and state police all supported the governor in the election, the others did not...has nothing to do with public safety, just another political payback!

This is not true, not all police, fire fighters unions backed walker only a small minority did. BTW-what the teachers are doing by a sick out is completely illegal, not to mention what the dems are doing is acting like my 3 year old daughter when I tell her she can't have candy at 9am. Imagine if the republicans acted like this every time one of obama's bills that they didn't agree with was up for a vote?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Riot
Repubs trying to union bust so they can control voter turnout and financial contributions to 2012 election

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is an unusual take. So you are saying that if the unions are effectively busted then the former members wont vote or contribute in the 2012 elections?

It's a pretty common idea, considering all the GOP Governors came out of their annual conference with the order to do it. Watch what every other GOP Governor is doing. It's the cover of deficit (deficits are real) but it's union-busting plain and clear.

With the Citizen's United ruling, private citizen contributions hardly matter any more. Who controls the money has a huge influence over elections.

Of the top ten political contributors, 7 are corporate Republican, and 3 are corporate Democratic. The 3 Democratic ones are the unions these GOP governors are trying to break up. Everyone knows unions historically vote and support Democratic.

Break up the unions, break up dues paying, get the money out of the hands of the unions, unions cannot contribute to candidates, the GOP financially controls the elections with no opposition.

Witness the Koch brothers financing and bussing in their Tea Party to counter-demonstrate.

Walker clearly isn't interested in the budget deficit here - the union has said it will gladly give up benefits, has no problem with Walker's desires if Walker will talk to them, negotiate and maintain collective bargaining rights.

Walker has completely refused. It's all about union busting. Not budget.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

Riot would agree with this 2 word vocabulary guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz3v3Paar_M

All the objective measurements seem to agree with the 2 word vocabulary guy. Fox News viewers are the least factually-educated about news events.