New Low From CDI/CRC Mgmt (Update: Restriction lifted)

[Fearless Leader]

In the latest attempt to not get squeezed for dates by Gulfstream, John Marshall and his Churchill bretheren have told the Calder stabled horsemen that if they enter and ship a horse to run at Gulfstream, it will not be allowed back on to Calder property.

Who do these imbeciles think they are really punishing with this brainstorm ?

Churchill Management, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the lowest of the low.

This was told to the horsemen at a meeting that just ended.

[Cannon Shell]

Sadly not surprising

[MISTERGEE]

how does he want them to survive while GP is open then?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

how does he want them to survive while GP is open then?

They dont care

[MISTERGEE]

then I guess they dont care if theyll all be out of business when crc reopens and there are no horses because there is no $

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

then I guess they dont care if theyll all be out of business when crc reopens and there are no horses because there is no $

They know that there will always be a bunch of cheap horses to run in South FL. CDI's corporate policy is screw the horseman at every turn because they are too stupid to really do anything about it. Sadly they are probably right

[MISTERGEE]

There may be some dummies in there, but even broke dummies cant run horses

[lemoncrush]

Isn't Manicero stabled at Calder?
I see he was possible for the Hutcheson this weekend at GP.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

Isn't Manicero stabled at Calder?
I see he was possible for the Hutcheson this weekend at GP.

Stakes are exempt I think.

Either way, it's disgraceful for CDI to drop that on horsemen three days before it starts.

[OTM Al]

Why does everyone have to have a knee jerk reaction in things like this? This is what is called a bargaining chip. In case no one has heard, Gulfstream is trying to jump on traditional Calder dates. Calder doesn't like it so they are striking back. And Hialeah is sitting in the weeds. Yes, unfortunately the horsemen are caught in the middle, but they can always take their business elsewhere if that is what the owners want. It's not like Calder is the only cheap track on the east coast. It is unfortunate that they can't get all Sharks and Jets out in the parking lot and settle this. Instead, both sides will make seemingly outrageous statements, a lot of dumb things will be said on message boards and other ether-ial places and then they will work this thing out like civilized people do.

[MISTERGEE]

take their business elsewhere, this all sounds so easy now

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by OTM Al

Why does everyone have to have a knee jerk reaction in things like this? This is what is called a bargaining chip. In case no one has heard, Gulfstream is trying to jump on traditional Calder dates. Calder doesn't like it so they are striking back. And Hialeah is sitting in the weeds. Yes, unfortunately the horsemen are caught in the middle, but they can always take their business elsewhere if that is what the owners want. It's not like Calder is the only cheap track on the east coast. It is unfortunate that they can't get all Sharks and Jets out in the parking lot and settle this. Instead, both sides will make seemingly outrageous statements, a lot of dumb things will be said on message boards and other ether-ial places and then they will work this thing out like civilized people do.

LOL
Except the horseman aren't owned by CDI and as such shouldnt be held hostage by Calder. The idea that you can just pick up and move your stable at the drop of a hat is stupid.

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

LOL
Except the horseman aren't owned by CDI and as such shouldnt be held hostage by Calder. The idea that you can just pick up and move your stable at the drop of a hat is stupid.

Not at the drop of a hat, but it can be done and in a not so long amount of time. And that's precisely because they aren't owned by CDI and therefore cannot be held hostage. The only reason they stay at Calder is because they want to stay at Calder. The terms of staying there just changed (or maybe not) but they still have a choice. They are not being forced to do anything. They do what they do by choice.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Fearless Leader

In the latest attempt to not get squeezed for dates by Gulfstream, John Marshall and his Churchill bretheren have told the Calder stabled horsemen that if they enter and ship a horse to run at Gulfstream, it will not be allowed back on to Calder property.

Who do these imbeciles think they are really punishing with this brainstorm ?

Churchill Management, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the lowest of the low.

This was told to the horsemen at a meeting that just ended.

yeah ok, gulfstream is not to blame for any of this...please keep all these morons away from NY.....for all the crap NYRA takes, i'm glad we don't have these people up here. these corporations are doing wonders for horseracing......lol

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by OTM Al

Not at the drop of a hat, but it can be done and in a not so long amount of time. And that's precisely because they aren't owned by CDI and therefore cannot be held hostage. The only reason they stay at Calder is because they want to stay at Calder. The terms of staying there just changed (or maybe not) but they still have a choice. They are not being forced to do anything. They do what they do by choice.

Except they are being forced by Calder to not run or risk the possibility of not getting stalls back. That is more or less blackmail. Can the horseman choose to leave? Yes obviously. But that isn't the question here. It is Calder/CDI flippantly using the horseman as a bargaining chip to their detriment regardless of how the end game plays out.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Except they are being forced by Calder to not run or risk the possibility of not getting stalls back. That is more or less blackmail. Can the horseman choose to leave? Yes obviously. But that isn't the question here. It is Calder/CDI flippantly using the horseman as a bargaining chip to their detriment regardless of how the end game plays out.

Does the fear of losing stalls running horses away always enter into the mind of a trainer? Can a trainer with 10 stalls at Belmont just run to Philly all the time and run in a 16k claimer without NYRA having a talk with him/her?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Does the fear of losing stalls running horses away always enter into the mind of a trainer? Can a trainer with 10 stalls at Belmont just run to Philly all the time and run in a 16k claimer without NYRA having a talk with him/her?

The difference being that Calder isnt offering any races presently. I'm sure if NYRA shut down for 3 months they wouldnt have an issue with shipping to Philly Park during the downtime.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The difference being that Calder isnt offering any races presently. I'm sure if NYRA shut down for 3 months they wouldnt have an issue with shipping to Philly Park during the downtime.

I agree it sucks what do you want for free? you want freedom it costs so go to Palm Meadows/Payson's and rent space. It sucks but it is well within there rights if horseman were aligned they would enter when Calder opens and just repeatly scratch once a week

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I agree it sucks what do you want for free? you want freedom it costs so go to Palm Meadows/Payson's and rent space. It sucks but it is well within there rights if horseman were aligned they would enter when Calder opens and just repeatly scratch once a week

But it isnt free. Horseman dont have to pay stall rent but if Calder closes the backside or charges stall rent their tax rate goes up something like 5 times what it is now. So the price of keeping the backside open is far less than the price of not having it open.

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

But it isnt free. Horseman dont have to pay stall rent but if Calder closes the backside or charges stall rent their tax rate goes up something like 5 times what it is now. So the price of keeping the backside open is far less than the price of not having it open.

So Calder should continue to subsidize trainers and owners that are using it's free stalls to fill races at GP after GP essentailly declred war on them? Especially when Calder's plan is to start racing year round in response to GP? For once it may be time for government to step in on this one and reregulate dates since the tracks couldn't behave on their own, but surely that will come at a price too.