Deron Williams to Nets

somerfrost · #1 02-23-2011, 03:08 PM

not bad for "plan B"

#2 02-23-2011, 03:13 PM

Yeah if you're mentally challenged.

Dahoss · #3 02-23-2011, 03:24 PM

It's a good thing he pushed Jerry Sloan out while he was still in Utah.

somerfrost · #4 02-23-2011, 03:32 PM

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Yeah if you're mentally challenged.

As is often the case, I don't understand your post...are you saying that acquiring one of the top PG's in the NBA is a bad deal?

dalakhani · #5 02-23-2011, 03:45 PM

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As is often the case, I don't understand your post...are you saying that acquiring one of the top PG's in the NBA is a bad deal?

If you think that trading away what amounts to what likely will be four high lottery picks (favors #3, Harris #5, GS pick, NJ pick) for a guy that might not even re-sign after next season is a good trade...

Give Utah credit. They took advantage of a desperate owner that was trying to save a little face.

Cannon Shell · #6 02-23-2011, 05:40 PM

I dont think this is a bad trade for NJ

They traded a top pick in a weak draft, a protected pick, a fair PG and a pretty soft looking Favors for one of the 3 best PG's in the league.

Sure it could backfire if Williams opt's to sign somewhere else but they gave up less than NY did for a better player.

Plus NJ has a lot of cap space and still has draft picks. They have been peddling Harris for 2 years and never found taker and Favors looks like he is not going to be an impact player, maybe ever.

ateamstupid · #7 02-23-2011, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont think this is a bad trade for NJ

They traded a top pick in a weak draft, a protected pick, a fair PG and a pretty soft looking Favors for one of the 3 best PG's in the league.

Sure it could backfire if Williams opt's to sign somewhere else but they gave up less than NY did for a better player.

Plus NJ has a lot of cap space and still has draft picks. They have been peddling Harris for 2 years and never found taker and Favors looks like he is not going to be an impact player, maybe ever.

Bingo. They had to hook a huge fish to build around and they did.

Cannon Shell · #8 02-23-2011, 05:53 PM

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Bingo. They had to hook a huge fish to build around and they did.

It is Billy King so I expect them to trade Lopez for Darko any minute now

golfer · #9 02-23-2011, 06:55 PM

Billy King's track record in Philadelphia gives me little reason to give him the benefit of the doubt. If Derrick Favors turns out to be as big a stiff as he appears right now, this is a good trade. If he doesn't, not so good. A great point guard makes everyone around him better, Devin Harris did not.

Cannon Shell · #10 02-23-2011, 07:06 PM

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Billy King's track record in Philadelphia gives me little reason to give him the benefit of the doubt. If Derrick Favors turns out to be as big a stiff as he appears right now, this is a good trade. If he doesn't, not so good. A great point guard makes everyone around him better, Devin Harris did not.

Having watched Favors a few times recently it is hard to believe he will ever be more than a 14-8 type guy. He is like Joe Smith without the shooting range.

golfer · #11 02-23-2011, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Having watched Favors a few times recently it is hard to believe he will ever be more than a 14-8 type guy. He is like Joe Smith without the shooting range.

I haven't followed the Nets closely this year (why would anyone want to?), but from what I have read, Favors work ethic isn't exactly where it needs to be. He is just 19, so immaturity isn't unusual, and he may grow up mentally at some point. I guess that's up to him.

Cannon Shell · #12 02-23-2011, 07:29 PM

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I haven't followed the Nets closely this year (why would anyone want to?), but from what I have read, Favors work ethic isn't exactly where it needs to be. He is just 19, so immaturity isn't unusual, and he may grow up mentally at some point. I guess that's up to him.

Well that and he is helpless more than 5 feet from the rim

Cannon Shell · #13 02-23-2011, 07:49 PM

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011...oad/?eref=sihp

nice summary

freddymo · #14 02-23-2011, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont think this is a bad trade for NJ

They traded a top pick in a weak draft, a protected pick, a fair PG and a pretty soft looking Favors for one of the 3 best PG's in the league.

Sure it could backfire if Williams opt's to sign somewhere else but they gave up less than NY did for a better player.

Plus NJ has a lot of cap space and still has draft picks. They have been peddling Harris for 2 years and never found taker and Favors looks like he is not going to be an impact player, maybe ever.

If they dont sign him and lure additional 2012 free agents its a complete waste of time.

Cannon Shell · #15 02-23-2011, 09:11 PM

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If they dont sign him and lure additional 2012 free agents its a complete waste of time.

Have you seen them play lately?

King Glorious · #16 02-24-2011, 01:20 AM

Favors may become serviceable one day. Doesn't look like that day will come under this rookie contract though. Harris is a slightly above average pg, not worth near his salary. The draft has little to offer this year. The Nets could have stood pat and remained a lower level team or they could have made this move. In the short term, it improves them and even if Williams doesn't re-sign, it shows other potential free agents that NJ is serious about turning around and if they are able to keep him, he's a huge drawing card, along with a super-rich owner and a new arena. I didn't mention the move to NY because actually, where they are now is as close to Manhattan as Brooklyn is and as easy to get to, if not easier.

ateamstupid · #17 02-24-2011, 02:12 AM

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Favors may become serviceable one day. Doesn't look like that day will come under this rookie contract though. Harris is a slightly above average pg, not worth near his salary. The draft has little to offer this year. The Nets could have stood pat and remained a lower level team or they could have made this move. In the short term, it improves them and even if Williams doesn't re-sign, it shows other potential free agents that NJ is serious about turning around and if they are able to keep him, he's a huge drawing card, along with a super-rich owner and a new arena. I didn't mention the move to NY because actually, where they are now is as close to Manhattan as Brooklyn is and as easy to get to, if not easier.

Newark isn't a fraction of the tourist/rich person destination that Brooklyn is, and you're completely wrong about the distance. If the arena is ever built, it's 10 minutes from the city, maximum. You're not getting from NYC to Newark in 10 minutes unless you take an airplane.

freddymo · #18 02-24-2011, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Have you seen them play lately?

Yes and whats your point that he can fill 18k empty seats and make Brook Lopez rebound? Unless they resign him they will be hawking him a year from now. They do have money to spend but its not like they have a lot. They are 20 mil under the current cap assuming he gets max money how much do they have for star 2?

freddymo · #19 02-24-2011, 09:36 AM

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Newark isn't a fraction of the tourist/rich person destination that Brooklyn is, and you're completely wrong about the distance. If the arena is ever built, it's 10 minutes from the city, maximum. You're not getting from NYC to Newark in 10 minutes unless you take an airplane.

The train to Newark is what 20 minutes from Penn Station? Brooklyn will help the Nets for sure but its a Knick town.

MaTH716 · #20 02-24-2011, 10:11 AM

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The train to Newark is what 20 minutes from Penn Station? Brooklyn will help the Nets for sure but its a Knick town.

The PATH from 33rd st to Newark is probably closer to a 35 minute ride (and the more I think about it, it's probably a bit longer than that).

The Nets really needed to make the move when they were competitive and the Knicks were in the midst of the Thomas regime. They had a real opportunity to take some of the Knicks fan base who were so disgusted with what was going on during then. All of a sudden there would have been a good home team to root for. But unfortunately for the Nets that boat has sailed. The Knicks are a good story again and everyone is jumping back on the bandwagon. The Nets lost a big chance and now will always be the red headed step child compared to the Knicks.