What are your thoughts on Uncle Mo's Returning Race?

[smartbid09]

What are your thoughts on Uncle Mo's Returning Race?

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by smartbid09

What are your thoughts on Uncle Mo's Returning Race?

You call that a race?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by smartbid09

What are your thoughts on Uncle Mo's Returning Race?

It was a paid workout, can't really draw any conclusions....will be tough with only one real race prior to Derby, especially with his DP!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

It was a paid public workout.

6fs in 1:13.69 (breezing) became ...
8fs in 1:36.56 (handily)

Mike Welsch caught him in fractions: 25.53 :49.58 1:13.69 1:36.56 - a 22.87 final quarter with a useful gallop out.

All this "race" proved is that this horse is capable of relaxing and going very slowly - at least so long as he has no target in front of him or dirt kicked in his face.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It was a paid public workout.

6fs in 1:13.69 (breezing) became ...
8fs in 1:36.56 (handily)

Mike Welsch caught him in fractions: 25.53 :49.58 1:13.69 1:36.56 - a 22.87 final quarter with a useful gallop out.

All this "race" proved is that this horse is capable of relaxing and going very slowly - at least so long as he has no target in front of him or dirt kicked in his face.

What about Rattlesnake Bridge? Is he a goat or do you think he was taken out of his game (never mind the inexperience) having to sit second to Uncle Mo early? Seemed like he made a couple of decent runs at the winner. I wonder if he'll end up with a late-running style.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

What about Rattlesnake Bridge? Is he a goat or do you think he was taken out of his game (never mind the inexperience) having to sit second to Uncle Mo early? Seemed like he made a couple of decent runs at the winner. I wonder if he'll end up with a late-running style.

He could be a really good horse. Kings Bishop type.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

He could be a really good horse. Kings Bishop type.

He might still get a route of ground. What I was getting at was that he might have run a "Summer Bird in the Haskell"-type race today.

As far as his stakes potential, I'm not sure if his maiden win was highly rated or not.

[DaTruth]

Why didn't the other jockeys try to push Uncle Mo early. Did they really think they could take back, sit in second or third, and run him down late.

[randallscott35]

B+

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

What about Rattlesnake Bridge? Is he a goat or do you think he was taken out of his game (never mind the inexperience) having to sit second to Uncle Mo early? Seemed like he made a couple of decent runs at the winner. I wonder if he'll end up with a late-running style.

They walked the first 6f of that race away - sprinted the final quarter.

Rattlesnake Bridge was a very expensive 2yo in training buy - he brought 400K at the Timonoium Park sale ... his ability to sprint a strong quarter mile doesn't come as a complete surprise.

I don't know what to think of RB yet.

Tapit's one of those weird sires who gets very precocious runners - but he's not a good debut sire - and he's a better route sire than a sprint sire.

Typically Tapit's run blah first out - they often stretch out and very quickly achieve peak form. After about five or six races .. a lot of them get hurt, tail off, or if lucky ... develop very moderately.

[KirisClown]

There's absolutely nothing you can tell from the Faux Stakes..

Gulfstream paid him 50K to have a 1 mile workout on their race card, that pretty much sums everything up.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Why didn't the other jockeys try to push Uncle Mo early. Did they really think they could take back, sit in second or third, and run him down late.

I thought the race was a fukking joke, the horse bobbles at the start and nobody knew what to do because there were strict instructions given by officials that Uncle Mo gets it his own way or else face consequences. 26 opening quarter, the race was a farce if you can even call it a race

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by kgar311

the horse bobbles at the start and nobody knew what to do because there were strict instructions given by officials that Uncle Mo gets it his own way or else face consequences

That's pretty absurd.

The obvious reason why no one wanted to challenge Uncle Mo in the early stages is because - by doing so - your chances of finishing 2nd diminsh greatly.

The whole purpose of allowing the farce of a race to go - was so that Gulfstream can stick it up Tampa Bay Downs ass. Through manuvering - Gulfstream created worthless races for both Dialed In and Uncle Mo to prevent them from running in the Tampa Derby. The result - some 16K claimer last out - comes within a neck of winning the Tampa Derby.

You really think Gulfstream cares that Uncle Mo won? Why? They wanted to pay out a minus show pool? They wanted to make 'The Timely Writer' an important prep race in the years to come?

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

That's pretty absurd.

The obvious reason why no one wanted to challenge Uncle Mo in the early stages is because - by doing so - your chances of finishing 2nd diminsh greatly.

The whole purpose of allowing the farce of a race to go - was so that Gulfstream can stick it up Tampa Bay Downs ass. Through manuvering - Gulfstream created worthless races for both Dialed In and Uncle Mo to prevent them from running in the Tampa Derby. The result - some 16K claimer last out - comes within a neck of winning the Tampa Derby.

You really think Gulfstream cares that Uncle Mo won? Why? They wanted to pay out a minus show pool? They wanted to make 'The Timely Writer' an important prep race in the years to come?

I dont think its absurd. It was a prerequisite set by Pletcher for his horse to stay in S Fla, my horse has it his own way for 3/4s ie: he walks, then they can take a run at him after the race is all but over.

[Dahoss]

So if someone beat Uncle Mo today, what were the consequences?

Water torture?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by kgar311

I dont think its absurd. It was a prerequisite set by Pletcher for his horse to stay in S Fla, my horse has it his own way for 3/4s ie: he walks, then they can take a run at him after the race is all but over.

Uh huh.

If Pletcher can control how other trainers are to instruct their riders and other riders are to ride their opposing mounts ... why did he not order the post positions re-drawn after Uncle Mo drew the rail?

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

That's pretty absurd.

The obvious reason why no one wanted to challenge Uncle Mo in the early stages is because - by doing so - your chances of finishing 2nd diminsh greatly.

The whole purpose of allowing the farce of a race to go - was so that Gulfstream can stick it up Tampa Bay Downs ass. Through manuvering - Gulfstream created worthless races for both Dialed In and Uncle Mo to prevent them from running in the Tampa Derby. The result - some 16K claimer last out - comes within a neck of winning the Tampa Derby.

You really think Gulfstream cares that Uncle Mo won? Why? They wanted to pay out a minus show pool? They wanted to make 'The Timely Writer' an important prep race in the years to come?

Another question is, what does Pletcher and GP say to the owners of this horse. Hey we are going to cost you over a 100gs in cash so we can stick it to TB Downs and in the process we are going to let some cheap stand ins run your horse down in the process??

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Another question is, what does Pletcher and GP say to the owners of this horse. Hey we are going to cost you over a 100gs in cash so we can stick it to TB Downs and in the process we are going to let some cheap stand ins run your horse down in the process??

I can't believe you're actually serious. I thought this was all a joke.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Another question is, what does Pletcher and GP say to the owners of this horse. Hey we are going to cost you over a 100gs in cash so we can stick it to TB Downs and in the process we are going to let some cheap stand ins run your horse down in the process??

Huh?

Pletcher's motives for wanting the race and Gulfstream Park's motives for writing the race are not the same.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Uh huh.

If Pletcher can control how other trainers are to instruct their riders and other riders are to ride their opposing mounts ... why did he not order the post positions re-drawn after Uncle Mo drew the rail?

The draw is public and cant be and Pletcher cant control how other trainers instruct their riders but he can say something to track officials and they can influence trainers and jockeys. Try by denying stable applications, not letting jockeys ride there, writing horses out of races etc etc. Theres plenty of things tracks can do to influence races