Republican plan to eliminate Medicare

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by jms62

Dude I read this book.

http://www.amazon.com/Griftopia-Mach...1955058&sr=8-1

Any more angry and I will commit myself in fear of doing something that will embarass my family.

Only ten years? Should have looked back much further, though I think you would have to make good on your commitment.

[lord007]

Stop drinking the Kool-Aid...Riot...How many BIG companies want to opt out of Obamacare????

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by lord007

Stop drinking the Kool-Aid...Riot...How many BIG companies want to opt out of Obamacare????

1249?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Oh, Hitchens. I absolutely despise a lot of his political op-eds, but he says them so eloquently. And his writings on his cancer leave me bawling. He'll be a loss to discourse, for sure. The man can write.

Thanks for sharing about your own medical history, Mike. I think it reminds us all that good health is not something we earn; it really is a gift, and one that those who have it often take for granted. My mother did all the things you were supposed to- ate well, exercised, had kids before she was 30, etc. and yet she was dead of breast cancer at 35. You just never know.

I think we seek to assign blame for a person's bad health on his or her lifestyle because it relieves us of the fear that at any time something could go wrong with our own bodies. And lets us avoid the fact that all of us, at some point, will need health care, and maybe it's a really, really dumb idea to leave it up to private industry to make a profit off of the certainty that we will all become sick at some point.

And I'm glad you spent your time drinking quality beer. Life is too short to drink swill.

i wish i had found hitch much sooner than i did. i don't agree with him a good portion of the time, but i admire his style. it also leaves me shaking my head when people say it's his own fault that he was struck with cancer for failing to believe in the almighty. i wonder how they explain believers who also have a fight on their hands with that illness??

[Riot]

Originally Posted by lord007

Stop drinking the Kool-Aid...Riot...How many BIG companies want to opt out of Obamacare????

If you are going to post in Politics, please stop spewing silly bumper stickers about "drinking kool aid" in reference to nothing except as a deliberate baseless casual insult in passing, and try hard to discuss something real.

If you want to talk about the Patient Protection and Affordability Act, feel free to start a thread. This one is about eliminating Medicare.

Coming out of nowhere with an insult and a complete change of subject makes you look rather ignorant.

[lord007]

Attack...typical liberal

[Mike]

Originally Posted by lord007

Attack...typical liberal

Can you explain this remark? I thought the wrap on liberals was tha tthey were too tolerant and forgiving (kind of wimpy, the opposite of attackers)

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Mike

Can you explain this remark? I thought the wrap on liberals was tha tthey were too tolerant and forgiving (kind of wimpy, the opposite of attackers)

I laughed

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Riot

I laughed

****, now I'm feeling attacked

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Mike

****, now I'm feeling attacked

With a liberal unicorn? Some cotton candy?

You'll like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMlPE1lV_5Y

[lord007]

Your every move....typical..i will not feed this Troll anymore...goodnight...lets get back to horse racing

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by lord007

Attack...typical liberal

PKB

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

If you are going to post in Politics, please stop spewing silly bumper stickers about "drinking kool aid" in reference to nothing except as a deliberate baseless casual insult in passing, and try hard to discuss something real.

If you want to talk about the Patient Protection and Affordability Act, feel free to start a thread. This one is about eliminating Medicare.

Coming out of nowhere with an insult and a complete change of subject makes you look rather ignorant.

pot meet kettle.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Social Security isn't a Ponzi scheme.

Sure it is.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is, for all intents and purposes, a duck.

It was mathematically doomed to fail from the moment it was started. That's what makes it a Ponzi scheme. I'd say that if it was a Republican idea too. It's just a BAD idea. I'm not calling it a Ponzi scheme for any political motives.

I'm angry that I'm being forced to support a program that is doomed to fail, most likely before I get a penny. Even if it continues, I lose money that I worked for. It's a federally mandated absurity. I'd rather put that same amount of money toward another retirement fund that will actually yield a gain.

The program is a loser. Note the NEGATIVE lifetime "benefits" shown in the graph below. Wake up. It's time to kill this monstrous leech.


If they said tomorrow that I could opt out so long as I didn't just keep that money as net pay to spend, but that I had to select an investment program, I'd be all for it.

[geeker2]

The Government can't trust you with your own money - you'll shoot your eye out

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Sure it is.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is, for all intents and purposes, a duck..

Baloney. No Ponzi scheme here. The reality is that Social Security is one of the most successful programs in the world. It has never failed to pay it's benefits. Never. Doomed to fail? LOL - It's solvent easily until 2037, and then can still pay out 78% of current benefits if nothing at all is done.

Raise the cap from $108,000 to $250,000, and it's financed easily, for the next century, and benefits can even be increased. That's what we should be doing, as a first-world country that cares about it's citizens. That's why we started social security as a fail-safe fallback, and why we need to continue it. In America, we don't want our elderly to live in poverty. I'd hope we still had too much pride for that, as a country. We stopped that the last century. One of the few things we've done right for ourselves.

I don't understand people that want that social situation to return. The "every man for himself, no I won't help you and you can't help me" crowd of societal living in this great country. We have enough homeless among those without medical (psychiatric) care and among our military veterans. We need MORE help for our citizens - not throwing millions of elderly out on the streets to die of starvation.

That's crazy!

BTW, if you had your money in "an investment program", you'd have lost 1/3 of your retirement funds during the past 8 years. Social Security funds are invested in a far more safe manner. You are supposed to be doing that (investing on your own) anyway - not depending upon Social Security for your sole retirement income.

PS - can you give the webpage where you copied your chart from? I'd like to read the accompanying text. It doesn't seem to match other analysis I've seen of SS benefits paid out (that most people get out far more than they put in) If that chart was true, I think we'd be swimming in extra money and Social Security would be flush beyond belief - if it were true that most people take or will take out far less than they put in (which is what you say that chart is saying)

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

One of the few things we've done right for ourselves.


Social Security funds are invested in a far more safe manner. )

In a century and 11 years SS is one of the few things we've done right? Guess that goes with being proud of your country for the first time as an adult mindset.

Anyway how and what vehicle is used to 'invest' social security funds? Are they still in the lockbox or are they actually 'invested'? Where can I find a quarterly statement?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

In a century and 11 years SS is one of the few things we've done right?

Yes, Dell, it's a great social program and one of the few things we've done right as far as social programs goes. It's a great success.

Guess that goes with being proud of your country for the first time as an adult mindset.

Well, that's just a stupid, baseless jackass statement. Try harder not to embarrass yourself.

Anyway how and what vehicle is used to 'invest' social security funds? Are they still in the lockbox or are they actually 'invested'? Where can I find a quarterly statement?

Seriously? You don't have a clue about the very basics of Social Security? You do have internet access, right? Maybe try some self-education?