10/1 (BEL): JCGC, Beldame, JHTC, Vosburgh, FlwrBwl (G1's), Kelso (G2) - Page 4

Indian Charlie · #61 10-03-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

I agree with him relaxing,and him getting the distance. I just don't think he is as effective at 1 1/4. He likes to run up front/close to the pace, from what I've seen in his races, and think of the probables who like to run the same way. That's what I was meaning with my post. He won't have his normal kick when the closers come a running compared to the Dirt Mile.

I am thinking of the probables, and that is why I like him so much more in the BCC. He'll get a much softer trip than he would in the mile.

It's total nonsense to think he can't get 10f.

NTamm1215 · #62 10-03-2011, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I am thinking of the probables, and that is why I like him so much more in the BCC. He'll get a much softer trip than he would in the mile.

It's total nonsense to think he can't get 10f.

Really? You may disagree but to say that is a bit silly I think.

I'm not sure Saturday's win told us anything about Uncle Mo other than that he can be as good (if not better) as a 3YO as he was at 2 and that a mile is his perfect distance. You're taking quite a leap to believe he can go 10fs given the likelihood of a strong pace in a race with other frontrunners.

Indian Charlie · #63 10-03-2011, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Really? You may disagree but to say that is a bit silly I think.

I'm not sure Saturday's win told us anything about Uncle Mo other than that he can be as good (if not better) as a 3YO as he was at 2 and that a mile is his perfect distance. You're taking quite a leap to believe he can go 10fs given the likelihood of a strong pace in a race with other frontrunners.

It's ridiculous to say he can't when:

1. He's never been asked to do it and...

2. He runs like he should have no problems with it.

As for the pedigree, that's ludicrous. For the first seven years or so at stud, IC got nothing but dogfood quality mares. Now that he's been getting better mares sent to him, his progeny seem to be less speed oriented.

Mo is out of an Arch mare as well, which should provide stamina.

NTamm1215 · #64 10-03-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

It's ridiculous to say he can't when:

1. He's never been asked to do it and...

2. He runs like he should have no problems with it.

As for the pedigree, that's ludicrous. For the first seven years or so at stud, IC got nothing but dogfood quality mares. Now that he's been getting better mares sent to him, his progeny seem to be less speed oriented.

Mo is out of an Arch mare as well, which should provide stamina.

I don't care about his pedigree, not with this many races under his belt. You're saying he's never been asked to do it but it almost seems like you're ignoring that the worst race of his life was at 9fs. Now he's a cinch in the BC because he wired after setting soft fractions in a flat mile race on the slop?

I only hope the wagering public approaches it the same way you do, since you know I'll be the first to give you credit should he win, but he is a horrible bet at his likely odds in the BC.

TouchOfGrey · #65 10-03-2011, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I don't care about his pedigree, not with this many races under his belt. You're saying he's never been asked to do it but it almost seems like you're ignoring that the worst race of his life was at 9fs.

One really can't say the distance was a problem since he was sick when he ran the Wood Memorial. I look forward to seeing what a healthy Mo can do.

MaTH716 · #66 10-03-2011, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TouchOfGrey

One really can't say the distance was a problem since he was sick when he ran the Wood Memorial. I look forward to seeing what a healthy Mo can do.

Maybe some people don't believe that he was actually sick.

#67 10-03-2011, 05:23 PM

He had the sniffles. Better put him in the shed.

Indian Charlie · #68 10-03-2011, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I don't care about his pedigree, not with this many races under his belt. You're saying he's never been asked to do it but it almost seems like you're ignoring that the worst race of his life was at 9fs. Now he's a cinch in the BC because he wired after setting soft fractions in a flat mile race on the slop?

I only hope the wagering public approaches it the same way you do, since you know I'll be the first to give you credit should he win, but he is a horrible bet at his likely odds in the BC.

I never said he's a cinch, though obviously I think he's going to be very difficult to beat.

What I have been saying is that it's ridiculous to say he can't get 10f. There is absolutely nothing real to indicate that he cannot. At least at this point.

I think a year later, it's likely he can get an extra 1.5 furlongs over the CD surface.

His race the other day means little to me.

blackthroatedwind · #69 10-03-2011, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Maybe some people don't believe that he was actually sick.

I don't think anyone that saw him doesn't believe there was something very wrong with him.

Indian Charlie · #70 10-03-2011, 06:28 PM

I thought something was pretty wrong about a quarter mile into the race.

Travis Stone · #71 10-03-2011, 06:48 PM

Where would Mo have finished in last years Classic with his form today?

freddymo · #72 10-03-2011, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Where would Mo have finished in last years Classic with his form today?

He would have won by 3.. Healthy Uncle Mo is a friggin serious race horse WAY faster then Zenyatta and Blame WAY..I am the first to admit I thought he was through and I was 100 percent WRONG AGAIN . Uncle Mo is really really good and has the best trainer in the US training him. IF his liver can hold out why would he not win the classic?

NTamm1215 · #73 10-03-2011, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't think anyone that saw him doesn't believe there was something very wrong with him.

I don't doubt that something was wrong but the whole thing was awfully strange, even for a Pletcher-Repole episode. In the weeks leading up to the Derby everyone was raving about his appearance then all of a sudden he's 100 lbs underweight and on his death bed?

This is unrelated to your post but as good as Uncle Mo is, what they're asking him to do is a tall order. I'd be willing to bet Uncle Mo doesn't even finish the best of the 3YOs in the BCC.

Travis Stone · #74 10-03-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

He would have won by 3.. Healthy Uncle Mo is a friggin serious race horse WAY faster then Zenyatta and Blame WAY..I am the first to admit I thought he was through and I was 100 percent WRONG AGAIN . Uncle Mo is really really good and has the best trainer in the US training him. IF his liver can hold out why would he not win the classic?

Even with that pace last year?

Seattleallstar · #75 10-03-2011, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Where would Mo have finished in last years Classic with his form today?

would be between musket man and first dude

Calzone Lord · #76 10-03-2011, 10:34 PM

He ran a faster Ragozin figure last year -- in the BC Juvenile -- than anyone in the BC Classic field ran.

If I was looking to bet against him -- I'd much rather play against him in the Dirt Mile than the Classic.

King Glorious · #77 10-03-2011, 10:38 PM

To think Mo will win the Classic is to not only think he's the best horse in the country but that he is by far the best. Handicapping what looks like the probables for the race and obviously assuming a fast track with trouble free trips for all, Mo would have to break a lot of rules to win. Not that he can't do it but to say it's gonna be a tall order is an understatement. I spent several hours today watching the Kelso, Wood, Whitney, Woodward, JCGC, Delaware Cap, Beldame, and Goodwood and the more I watch, Havre de Grace stands out to and Mo looks more and more doubtful. The way Game on Dude ran in the Goodwood and believing Baffert will give the same instruction again, it's very hard to see Mo anywhere near the pace, putting away the leaders, and holding off the closers at this distance. I think he's the best horse in the country but he's up against it.

Calzone Lord · #78 10-03-2011, 10:54 PM

Game On Dude would have won the Goodwood by about 6 lengths with a competent ride.

He overcame horribly stupid tactics and beat a stunningly bad field.

Indian Charlie · #79 10-03-2011, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I don't doubt that something was wrong but the whole thing was awfully strange, even for a Pletcher-Repole episode. In the weeks leading up to the Derby everyone was raving about his appearance then all of a sudden he's 100 lbs underweight and on his death bed?

This is unrelated to your post but as good as Uncle Mo is, what they're asking him to do is a tall order. I'd be willing to bet Uncle Mo doesn't even finish the best of the 3YOs in the BCC.

Yeah, no shid man. I found that odd too about all the raves pre Derby concerning Mo.

Hell, I was still uncertain he'd made a full recovery watching his every workout and then the King's Bishop. His last workout though was a thing of beauty.

Now, on to the next part of your post. What 3yo do you possibly see finishing ahead of him in the BCC? ST?

Indian Charlie · #80 10-03-2011, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

To think Mo will win the Classic is to not only think he's the best horse in the country but that he is by far the best. Handicapping what looks like the probables for the race and obviously assuming a fast track with trouble free trips for all, Mo would have to break a lot of rules to win. Not that he can't do it but to say it's gonna be a tall order is an understatement. I spent several hours today watching the Kelso, Wood, Whitney, Woodward, JCGC, Delaware Cap, Beldame, and Goodwood and the more I watch, Havre de Grace stands out to and Mo looks more and more doubtful. The way Game on Dude ran in the Goodwood and believing Baffert will give the same instruction again, it's very hard to see Mo anywhere near the pace, putting away the leaders, and holding off the closers at this distance. I think he's the best horse in the country but he's up against it.

It really won't matter a whole lot where he is in regards to the pace. Obviously I'd love to see him go 47.2 loose on the lead, but if he's on his game, I don't think it will matter.