Elway trying to draft the next Elway

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

No it's not. It shows that he doesn't get frustrated easily. Tard-o for the Chargers would've checked out at halftime with a performance similar to last night.

He's got intangibles. Plus he's an unbearable personality. Awful combo.

i'd love to be in on the discussions the coaching staff has with the receivers in denver. "tim tebow is the new qb. you guy's aren't really needed anymore."

norv turner is finally rubbing off on phillip rivers. san diego fan thought firing schottenheimer for not winning playoff games after 14-2 seasons was a great idea. dreams of super bowl titles danced in their heads.

good call.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i'd love to be in on the discussions the coaching staff has with the receivers in denver. "tim tebow is the new qb. you guy's aren't really needed anymore."

norv turner is finally rubbing off on phillip rivers. san diego fan thought firing schottenheimer for not winning playoff games after 14-2 seasons was a great idea. dreams of super bowl titles danced in their heads.

good call.

i was blown away by the firing of marty-you fire your coach because you think you can do better. norv is better?! i've enjoyed watching the steady decline. the gm is a moron. he 'won' the battle vs marty, but he's certainly losing the war.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I'm sorry I disagree with that. I can't see how a guy who can't throw the ball be beter than 10 other NFL QB's.

I am in the minority I know but I do not think Tebow is the best QB in Denver.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by jms62

I am in the minority I know but I do not think Tebow is the best QB in Denver.

I don't either.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by jms62

I am in the minority I know but I do not think Tebow is the best QB in Denver.

He is better then Mark Sanchez. Are we saying Orton is 2?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

He's a solid NFL player. Big deal if he moves to tight end or fullback...actually with a decent quarterback that would be borderline unfair.

I think that's all anyone is saying. He's a good player. He's just not a good NFL QB. He doesn't have the passing ability of an NFL QB. But he can contribute a lot of running to a team. Being a fullback or tight end is a great fit. It wouldn't be a big deal if he moved to another position. It'd be smart.

The thought he's better than 10 or so NFL QB's right now is silly though. He's clearly not.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

I am in the minority I know but I do not think Tebow is the best QB in Denver.

Clearly Elway is the best QB in Denver

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I think that's all anyone is saying. He's a good player. He's just not a good NFL QB. He doesn't have the passing ability of an NFL QB. But he can contribute a lot of running to a team. Being a fullback or tight end is a great fit. It wouldn't be a big deal if he moved to another position. It'd be smart.

The thought he's better than 10 or so NFL QB's right now is silly though. He's clearly not.

I'm with you. And he's still going to be a leader either way.

[herkhorse]

Tebow's got a big heart, I'll give him that. If you really need a miracle though, how 'bout Cutler and da Bears? Jesus Christ, talk about rising from the dead.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I didn't post that the defense was the culprit for last night's loss; I stated that the punter was a part of the field goal.

Here's the original post.

Originally Posted by Cardus

Punters can shank one once in a while, anywhere, of course, but you'd hope for that not to happen in Denver, where a punter can get more out of his kicks there than anywhere else. That shank was a major culprit in the first score.

Someone mentioned a few days before the game that he was disappointed in the Jets' safeties. Considering Leonhard's miss at the beginning of the final drive and Smith's culpability at the end of it, I'd have to say that the analysis seems legitimate.

They are just not quite where they need to be at times.

I disagreed with the opinion about the safeties. I couldn't care less about the punter. Like I said, regardless of those 2 plays not made by either safety, this loss was on the offense. If you give up only 10 points a game in this league you should win, period.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cardus

As far as the defense is concerned: it certainly is on the hook for a part of the loss, since it allowed Tebow to run over them at the end of the game.

What if Leonhard makes the tackle at or near the goal line at the beginning of the drive? I don't know that it would have been a safety, but certainly it would have been a small gain only.
And Smith at the end of the drive?

These aren't the only plays where the safeties haven't played well for the Jets this year. It is a clear deficiency that has mattered, particularly last night.

Ok, I'll play the what if game.
What if Sanchez doesn't throw a pick 6?
What if Sanchez doesn't over throw a wide open Keller in the endzone?
What if Nick Folk doesn't miss 2 FG's (I know that they weren't chip shots).

Granted they couldn't make a big play down the stretch, but they certainly did enough to win that game. Denver had field position on them all night (except for the final drive) and only scored a FG up until the final drive.

I'll admit that I don't think Eric Smith is great, but I think you picking on them in this case is unfair.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Ok, I'll play the what if game.
What if Sanchez doesn't throw a pick 6?
What if Sanchez doesn't over throw a wide open Keller in the endzone?
What if Nick Folk doesn't miss 2 FG's (I know that they weren't chip shots).

Granted they couldn't make a big play down the stretch, but they certainly did enough to win that game. Denver had field position on them all night (except for the final drive) and only scored a FG up until the final drive.

I'll admit that I don't think Eric Smith is great, but I think you picking on them in this case is unfair.

Although thankfully I didn't watch Thursday's game, I have seen enough of Eric Smith and Jim Leonhard to know that neither is athletic enough to thrive in the Jets' defensive system. Leonhard, coming off last year's broken leg, may have lost a step he couldn't afford to lose, and Smith, while probably an over-achiever, simply hasn't been getting the job done is pass coverage.

Bottom line, an above average defense, no matter how well they may have played the first 55 minutes of the game, DOES NOT let Tim Tebow march 95 yards down the field for the game winning TD. Simple as that, IMO.

The offense is quite another matter.

[Alabama Stakes]

i think the Jets were still dizzy from the beating the Pats laid on them. Tebow is like Zenyatta, a winner. Winners win, Ive seen Tebow make plenty of big throws. His will to win is incredible. That oklahoma team was WAY better than Florida and Tim Tebow still found a way to beat them. He'll be president some day, or at least vice president when Tom Brady takes over the country. Dont forget....he's basically a rookie with single digit starts, and is winning already. for those interested in making a couple of bucks on Sunday. If Vince Young starts for Philly, they will whip the Jintz.

[King Glorious]

I don't think Tebow would make a good running back. Part of what makes him effective as a runner is the defense not being able to totally key in on him running. As bad a passer as he is, they still have to give some respect to it. Look at last weekend when he won the game with the long touchdown pass, his second completion of the game. I think that taking that dimension away would really hurt his effectiveness as a runner and his lack of skills in that area would be exposed much more than they are now.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

i think the Jets were still dizzy from the beating the Pats laid on them. Tebow is like Zenyatta, a winner. Winners win, Ive seen Tebow make plenty of big throws. His will to win is incredible. That oklahoma team was WAY better than Florida and Tim Tebow still found a way to beat them. He'll be president some day, or at least vice president when Tom Brady takes over the country. Dont forget....he's basically a rookie with single digit starts, and is winning already. for those interested in making a couple of bucks on Sunday. If Vince Young starts for Philly, they will whip the Jintz.

Tebow is like Zenyatta. I love it.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Tebow is like Zenyatta. I love it.

I wonder what's going to happen if they ever have to play east of the Mississippi..............

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Clearly Elway is the best QB in Denver

In the last game out of the box, the kid's first pass is a midrange completion for 28 yards. After that they run for a first down behind McGhee and Tebow hits a couple of short ones for 15 yards......so now the kid is 3 for 3 has hit one big pass when asked to and they have a fourth and one after gaining 60 yards and what do they do with,one of, if not the best running quarterback this year in the NFL.
Instead of showing confidence in him and letting the kid get them a yard when he averages just shy of 5 a carry they take all of the momentum away from him run a dive after a time out which the Jets stuff and the go vanilla the rest of the night........until!!

5 minutes left and they now call his number every play, 55 rushing 50 passing and all you hear is the kid is dog meat for the first 55 minutes. Nonsense!!.......

The Denver coaching staff undermines the kid's confidence until they let the kid do his thing at the end of the game with the exception of the game he made a handful of down field throws and didn't need to ask for a miracle ending.

If they would call plays to his strengths in the early quarters, roll out throws, running plays he will get better and better. If he can hit some of the down field throws previously he can hit more.

He doesn't turn it over but is so damn scared to do so he throws conservatively where only his guy has a chance every single throw thus his completion percentage is horrible. Yes his mechanics were horrible but he deserves more from his coaching staff because he saving their jobs.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by docicu3

In the last game out of the box, the kid's first pass is a midrange completion for 28 yards. After that they run for a first down behind McGhee and Tebow hits a couple of short ones for 15 yards......so now the kid is 3 for 3 has hit one big pass when asked to and they have a fourth and one after gaining 60 yards and what do they do with,one of, if not the best running quarterback this year in the NFL.
Instead of showing confidence in him and letting the kid get them a yard when he averages just shy of 5 a carry they take all of the momentum away from him run a dive after a time out which the Jets stuff and the go vanilla the rest of the night........until!!

5 minutes left and they now call his number every play, 55 rushing 50 passing and all you hear is the kid is dog meat for the first 55 minutes. Nonsense!!.......

The Denver coaching staff undermines the kid's confidence until they let the kid do his thing at the end of the game with the exception of the game he made a handful of down field throws and didn't need to ask for a miracle ending.

If they would call plays to his strengths in the early quarters, roll out throws, running plays he will get better and better. If he can hit some of the down field throws previously he can hit more.

He doesn't turn it over but is so damn scared to do so he throws conservatively where only his guy has a chance every single throw thus his completion percentage is horrible. Yes his mechanics were horrible but he deserves more from his coaching staff because he saving their jobs.

Elway is still the best QB in Denver

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Elway is still the best QB in Denver

OMG that is awfully close to actually agreeing with me....but yes Elway in a suit
probably throws a much better ball than anyone else in the organization.....

I just can't stand John Fox talking about the kid like he was a handicap and then riding Tebow's late game performances to another year coaching this team.

If Denver makes the playoffs..........ahhh you fill in the blank!

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I wonder what's going to happen if they ever have to play east of the Mississippi..............

the usual....a win, i still cant believe Blame held on desperately