Stumbled across July 16, 1992 edition of NY Post

[Rudeboyelvis]

7 turf races in 3 days - in general, not simply sprints, over a track that has two turf courses seems odd

[cmorioles]

I blame Wayne Lukas and Thorograph.

One started the trend of one guy dominating all the best horses, though to be fair, he actually raced his. The other started the stupid bounce theory.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Correct. For some reason over the last 20 years it has become taboo to run two year olds "early" and allowance runners arent supposed to run less than every 5 weeks.

exactly. It should be, IMO, every 14-21 days for horses that are healthy.

EVERYONE IS SCARED TO RACE THEIR HORSES INTO SHAPE! bunch of wimps. "oh no, I can't possibly loooooooose a race!"

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I blame Wayne Lukas and Thorograph.

One started the trend of one guy dominating all the best horses, though to be fair, he actually raced his. The other started the stupid bounce theory.

Wait till Black caviar bounces tonight

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Wait till Black caviar bounces tonight

Did you bring enough drugs for everyone?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

If the racing secretary thought carding turf sprints was hurting entries, I can't imagine they would have become as popular as they've been with horsemen, carryover hunters, etc. Field sizes speak volumes - and if these races fill, and aren't contrary to progressive handle generation, I can't imagine they would keep carding them in greater quantities. Of all the problems racing might have, running more races that fit this bill seems a non-starter.

Well they do fill well so perhaps we will see all turf sprint cards soon?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I blame Wayne Lukas and Thorograph.

One started the trend of one guy dominating all the best horses, though to be fair, he actually raced his. The other started the stupid bounce theory.

Good points. DWL made it ok for trainers themselves not to actually train their horses.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Correct. For some reason over the last 20 years it has become taboo to run two year olds "early" and allowance runners arent supposed to run less than every 5 weeks.

NY has ceded the 2yo division to Kentucky. They run 2yo's 3 or 4 times a week in spring at Keeneland and Churchill. In the fall they run babies with overflow fields daily and feature 2 days of all 2yo cards.

As for the allowance horses, they've all gone to ground. The sheets guys have convinced everyone that they'll just drop dead if they race on less than 45 days rest.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Linny

NY has ceded the 2yo division to Kentucky. They run 2yo's 3 or 4 times a week in spring at Keeneland and Churchill. In the fall they run babies with overflow fields daily and feature 2 days of all 2yo cards.

As for the allowance horses, they've all gone to ground. The sheets guys have convinced everyone that they'll just drop dead if they race on less than 45 days rest.

Keeneland isnt the same as it was. When I first started training in KY (1999)you needed to enter for a star in the 2 yo MSW's to ensure you would get in a race later in the meet. You only get stars if the race fills. That is no longer a problem as most go with less than full fields. I guess the attitude about running 2 yo's and the fact that Ward and Asmussen seemingly win every 2 yo race at Keeneland has discouraged many.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The problem I think people are having with turf sprints in NY is there are simply too many of them.

Except in the dead of winter -- when there are just the right amount of them run.

The best horse in the world right now -- so "they" say -- is a turf sprinter and just won a few minutes ago.




30-to-1 clear cut second choice in the betting finishes 2nd. Riveting.

[Linny]

Fields aren't as full but they card plenty and enough of them are looking for schooling and are willing to let WW and SA beat them first out. In NY you are lucky is you get anything but statebreds before late June. If some of the bigger outfits in KY are so bothered that WW and SA are winning all the 2yo races they should decamp en masse to NY and inform Mr Campo of their interest.

Thanks for your honesty about the sheets, Cannon. I love it when trainers say "Oh, they just don't card races for my allowance horses..." when they know that the racing secretary will only write allowance races when Todd or Shug or Kieran need them. The only exception is when Todd has 3 horses in the same condition, you might get two of them inside a 10 day span. Oh, and if it's slated for Friday but Todd would rather run on Sunday, it's going to be moved and the racing office doesn't care about your shoeing snafu or the fact that everyone else trained for a race on FRIDAY. It's alot easier to train horses when you get to write the condition book too.