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Old 03-22-2012, 07:22 PM
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I may be getting old but I remember when people trained horses to actually try to win the Derby not just participate.
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Old 03-22-2012, 09:15 PM
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I may be getting old but I remember when people trained horses to actually try to win the Derby not just participate.
Were Todd Pletcher, Mike Maker, and Kiaran McLaughlin assistants to Lukas when he was winning Classics with horses like Thunder Gulch, Editor's Note, Timber Country, etc.?

You'd think they'd have first hand knowledge that it's OK to run in more than 2 preps and even lose one or two prior to Churchill.

Given some of the recent winners of the race, we've seemed to have entered the era of "Surprise! You've Just Won The Kentucky Derby!"
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Old 03-22-2012, 09:49 PM
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The Derby has become nothing more than a glorified NW3 allowance race with random results.
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Old 03-22-2012, 10:11 PM
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why in the world are they going there?

because Gemologist is going to the Wood and they want no part of him. and that's a fact Jack
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Old 03-22-2012, 10:35 PM
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because Gemologist is going to the Wood and they want no part of him. and that's a fact Jack
I'm sure that has nothing to do with it.
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:19 PM
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I'm sure that has nothing to do with it.
I think thats exactly why they are going to Keeneland. Nothing else makes any sense.
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:33 PM
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The Derby has become nothing more than a glorified NW3 allowance race with random results.
Well said.
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:58 PM
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I'm waiting for someone with enough earnings to just go 'screw it, we're training up to the Derby.'
That would be the Homeboy Kris" route, which was so effective a few years ago.
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Old 03-23-2012, 12:03 AM
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I think thats exactly why they are going to Keeneland. Nothing else makes any sense.
Why? How is this any different than Street Sense? I'm no Hansen fan, but if you're already in Kentucky, have plenty if earnings and are proven on Polytrack, what's the problem with it? It's probably the path of least resistance, and it won't matter if he wins or loses. He'll still be in the Derby.
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Old 03-23-2012, 12:35 AM
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Anybody thinking his performance on Turfway polytrack at 2 means he'll run great on it at Keeneland at 3 going longer is in for a surprise.
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I can understand if you are in a situation like Gemologist, where you don't have the earnings so you want to look for the softest spot to get the earnings to get in. When you are already guaranteed a spot, I would think it's more important to stick as close to a training/racing schedule as possible. I've never had a good feeling about horses that have to have their preparations altered.
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Old 03-23-2012, 07:09 AM
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This is 100% Dr. Hansen and it's no different than Repole wanting to win races like the Wood and the other big NY circuit standards. Hell, Hansen -- who lives in No. KY on the river -- wanted to run in the Spiral this week. Maker accomodating and certainly can't mind having to only 'ship' from Churchill Training Center to KEE.
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Old 03-23-2012, 07:40 AM
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I'm shocked that they are not ducking Drill.
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Old 03-23-2012, 08:21 AM
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Sightseek, did you take that bad beat on Night Site yesterday in the Gulfstream 6th?
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The synthetic-to-dirt move worked last fall for Hansen, so I don't blame them for recreating that setup. Just like Street Sense. But is this particular decision being made with those types of considerations in mind?
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Sightseek, did you take that bad beat on Night Site yesterday in the Gulfstream 6th?
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The synthetic-to-dirt move worked last fall for Hansen, so I don't blame them for recreating that setup. Just like Street Sense. But is this particular decision being made with those types of considerations in mind?
I think they were pretty clear why they were doing it in the TDN.
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The synthetic-to-dirt move worked last fall for Hansen, so I don't blame them for recreating that setup. Just like Street Sense. But is this particular decision being made with those types of considerations in mind?
I think the decision is being made so Dr. Hansen can bring over his party bus full of Russian mail order brides to Keeneland.

Plus I think he is hoping Keeneland will let him color the horses mane and tail...

I'm glad he is running there.
My price on Dullahan just doubled.
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