NYT Series: "Mangled Horses, Maimed Jockeys"

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

but maybe it opened a few eyes in state gov't?

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...e-drug-testing

im not naive enough to expect change...but its a start

This is actually a frighteningly naive approach that will certainly not do a damn bit of good but will provide cover for the state officials that have proven to be incapable of regulating thier own jurisdiction properly.

The entire out of competition testing thing is a red herring as there are very few things that would have value on raceday that are given 40 days out. Perhaps blood doping but pretty much nothing else. The thing is that the vast majority of positives are called on normal medications at minute levels. You cant do out of competition testing on things that are legal to give. Is it a good tool to have if you have a reasonably good idea that someone is blooddoping? Sure but it doesnt solve most issues and certainly has almost no effect on soundness issues. The idea that you can penalize a trainer for excessive doses of "painkillers" or other drugs usually allowed to treat horses when you have no idea when a horse will be entered is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

When the executive Director of the racing comission says "I hope we have more positives" the problem you have runs far deeper than what goes on at the track.


And yeah that $45k increase....seriously? 45k?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is actually a frighteningly naive approach that will certainly not do a damn bit of good but will provide cover for the state officials that have proven to be incapable of regulating thier own jurisdiction properly.

The entire out of competition testing thing is a red herring as there are very few things that would have value on raceday that are given 40 days out. Perhaps blood doping but pretty much nothing else.

The thing is that the vast majority of positives are called on normal medications at minute levels. You cant do out of competition testing on things that are legal to give.

Thank you!

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/th...rgstein-award/

Hard to make headway when they keep giving people awards for ripping racing...

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ra...ut-perception/


So one of the loudest voices that has been making all kinds of wild accusations about medications and been quite willing to severely criticize trainers and vets in the press is now preaching about public perception?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/th...rgstein-award/

Hard to make headway when they keep giving people awards for ripping racing...

I find it hard to believe that Stan Bergstein would want his name associated with crediting the writers of this Times story based upon the journalistic standards used by the authors.

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.drf.com/news/crist-home-b...times-analysis

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by pointman

I find it hard to believe that Stan Bergstein would want his name associated with crediting the writers of this Times story based upon the journalistic standards used by the authors.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.drf.com/news/jockey-club-...-raceday-lasix

"Jockey Club officials explained on Friday that the rules would seek to change a "culture" on the backstretch that they said encouraged trainers to turn to medications in order to address minor ailments and niggling aches and pains"


So I suppose the new strategy is to simply ignore those issues? Or race horses less....

[Heels1989]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.drf.com/news/jockey-club-...-raceday-lasix

"Jockey Club officials explained on Friday that the rules would seek to change a "culture" on the backstretch that they said encouraged trainers to turn to medications in order to address minor ailments and niggling aches and pains"


So I suppose the new strategy is to simply ignore those issues? Or race horses less....

Come on Chuck. It's all about the Ice Machines now.

[parsixfarms]

The Jockey Club's approach here is typical of why so many things don't get done in the industry. Rather than embrace the large number of reforms on which there seems to be general consensus and get them enacted (see steroids and milkshakes, for recent examples), they badly overreach. The likely result is that, without broad industry support (and there is certainly not broad industry support for the elimination of raceday Lasix), little, if anything, will be accomplished at the various state levels where any such reforms would need to be enacted. Someone needs to tell them the inconvenient truth that they can't do things the way Roger Goodell does.

[pointman]

What I don't get is the call for the ban on a lasix. As I understand it, there is no scientific evidence that it enhances performance. It does allow horses that bleed to race. If you take that away, it seems to me that you either get horses who are raced that bleed which is ultimately ignoring the horses medical needs and possibly cruel or less horses in competition which creates more unwanted horses which enhances another problem and makes ownership less attractive if horses are not racing as often.

How is it that a drug that helps the medical needs of a horse is such a bad thing that it needs to be banned?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pointman

What I don't get is the call for the ban on a lasix. As I understand it, there is no scientific evidence that it enhances performance. It does allow horses that bleed to race. If you take that away, it seems to me that you either get horses who are raced that bleed which is ultimately ignoring the horses medical needs and possibly cruel or less horses in competition which creates more unwanted horses which enhances another problem and makes ownership less attractive if horses are not racing as often.

How is it that a drug that helps the medical needs of a horse is such a bad thing that it needs to be banned?

They needed to re-classify Lasix as a performance enhancer (25 years after it was legalized in most places) because calling it what it actually is makes it far more difficult to demonize. By calling it a performance enhancing drug they can do exactly what they have done, attracting attention from PETA and nitwits like Jerry Bossert and Joe Drape who are more than happy to drag the sport through the mud, promoting the agenda to the uneducated general public who buys it.

Of course by making these assertions they have in effect rendered the last 25 years worth of results as tainted and made those cynical about the sport even more so.

Naturally no one ever talks about the negative impact financially that a ban on lasix will have on owners and racing cards if some percentage of horses are completely not able to compete or are severely negatively impacted. I have a small operation relatively speaking and I have at least 3 horses that will struggle without lasix and possibly others as well. That it actually works and is available to everyone therefore leveling the playing field seems to be lost on them...