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Old 04-30-2012, 07:53 AM
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Steve Asmussen sent his Derby pair out early as usual with SABERCAT first with a very solid half mile in :48.0 and smooth gallop out through 1:01.0 and 1:15.2. DADDY NOSE BEST was asked to do less and had the easiest of half miles getting :49.1 on the watch with 1:02.2 finishing up. Daddy Nose Best continues to be a fashionable inclusion in Derby discussions and may indeed be the barn's Nehro for 2012. While Asmussen has made it clear that the Scat Daddy colt needs spacing between races, I personally prefer the fitness recency of Sabercat coming out of the continually productive Oaklawn path. I was wrong ignoring Nehro a year ago and nothing says it's a mistake to use BOTH of the barn's runners, but I'll take Sabercat at what should be nearly twice Daddy Nose Best's number..
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Old 04-30-2012, 08:12 AM
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No other Derby/Oaks drills until after the harrow break, but ON FIRE BABY might have already put in the day's most enthusiastic showing with a spirited 2 minute lick twice around the oval. The big grey may not be best Oaks Day, but her fitness won't be the drawback. There would be pandemonium at the Downs should the totally local connection of Mrs. Cauley, Red Dog Hartlege and Joe Johnson were to win Friday..
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Old 04-30-2012, 08:18 AM
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DONE TALKING got a wrong way jog around the course early his first morning in Louisville..

UNION RAGS opted for the early session after walking the shed Sunday coming out of Saturday's impressive drill. He looked great again and included a paddock visit as part of Matz' leisurely treatment of him. There is a lot to be said for allowing a horse to enjoy his time out of the stall daily and Matz tries to give the colt every opportunity to stand and take in the surroundings..

EDEN'S MOON and AND WHY NOT were both out around the same time and I didn't get a chance to follow their activities. KARLOVY VARY was out as the sun was rising and continues to make a great impression. Whether the surface is going to work for her is the question the Arnold trainee needs to answer..
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Old 04-30-2012, 08:21 AM
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COMING UP NEXT....

MARK VALESKI to breeze after the break and a decision about his status for the Derby will be made after that..

CREATIVE CAUSE may blow out for Harrington..

LIAISON and TRINNIBERG expected to get in final serious efforts..
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Old 04-30-2012, 08:58 AM
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I may be the only on the board using Sabercat and Done Talking underneath.
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Old 04-30-2012, 09:18 AM
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I think that a fair number of folks are going to envision pace casualties and use Done Talking underneath.
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:02 AM
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COMING UP NEXT....

MARK VALESKI to breeze after the break and a decision about his status for the Derby will be made after that..
Or not.

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Looking forward to your thoughts on Creative Cause's work
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:07 AM
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Just in case anybody's interested in what the horse shrink has to say:

http://kentuckyconfidential.com/sect...mas-on-horses/
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:41 AM
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I think with a pace meltdown I as well will use Done Talking in the bottom with Trinniberg
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:48 AM
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I do like longshot Sabercat's pedigree in that Rescue Squad, they both have the same 3rd dam, finished 2nd in the Red Smith at 11F. He's also tail female to LaTroienne. At the top of my pedigree list are, in no order, Sabercat, Union Rags, Alpha and Bodemeister, pending further review.
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:44 AM
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I think with a pace meltdown I as well will use Done Talking in the bottom with Trinniberg
Trinniberg on the bottom? Really?
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:44 AM
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I may be the only on the board using Sabercat and Done Talking underneath.
Everyone will think I'm crazy, but I'm using him on top some too.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:32 PM
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Trinniberg on the bottom? Really?

sorry did I offend your key on top horse?
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:38 PM
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sorry did I offend your key on top horse?
I don't know what your response means. I'm asking if you are using Trinniberg underneath. If so, why?
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:42 PM
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I don't know what your response means. I'm asking if you are using Trinniberg underneath. If so, why?
Maybe I didn't word it correctly, I meant those two would be in the bottom meaning dead last. You would have to blindfold me for them to end up on my ticket.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:42 PM
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Easy, "underneath" means 19th. Like way underneath.
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:16 PM
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Anyone who heard Trinniberg go by this morning would have no interest in using him...
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:19 PM
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Anyone who heard Trinniberg go by this morning would have no interest in using him...
Was he singing or something?
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:26 PM
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I think with a pace meltdown I as well will use Done Talking in the bottom with Trinniberg
I understand why people are looking for a the next Giacomo type to hit the board with a probable lively pace scenerio, but with a fairly strong field set to go, using "Done Talking" prominently on your tickets is being a little too clever for your own good, in my opinion.

So many things would have to break just right for this slowpoke to hit the board (including several VASTLY superior horses not running their race) that I just don't see it.
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