So let's vote on same sex marriage

[Riot]

Originally Posted by OldDog

From the link:
"The idea that Romney, as the presumptive GOP presidential nominee, holds the same mindset now as he did in his prep school days is, of course, absurd. People change, including Obama who had, until Wednesday, spent several years in public life opposing same-sex marriage."

Obama changed, too, from his alcohol bingeing, pot smoking, coke snorting high school daze, to what we now see before us. I don't even believe he eats dogs any more.

IOKIYAR

[Riot]

New one question test for American citizenship and voting rights:

"All men are created equal".

1) True
2) False

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

New one question test for American citizenship and voting rights:

"All men are created equal".

1) True
2) False

Not according to my wife...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Not according to my wife...

Good for her

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - that was brilliant! And on the stupid NC ballot measure: "Now heterosexual couples in North Carolina will suffer the same lack of rights that gays have always experienced".

And Kenya is saying Obama was born in Ghana...

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Personally I'm for number 2.

However I would never want my personal view to affect a view a State I don't live in may have.

10th Amendment > Gay Marriage

BTW How do I block RIOT's polls in addition to her posts?

so what you are saying is that if the majority of a state wants to make a law banning interracial marriage, that is okay because of the 10th amendment?

what happened to the part of the constitution which seperates church and state?

what happened to Majority rule cannot oppress minority rights?


these laws that have been passed by states are unconstitutional. they go against the definition of america.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

so what you are saying is that if the majority of a state wants to make a law banning interracial marriage, that is okay because of the 10th amendment?

what happened to the part of the constitution which seperates church and state?

what happened to Majority rule cannot oppress minority rights?


these laws that have been passed by states are unconstitutional. they go against the definition of america.

[OldDog]

Question (and I'm not being snide)

If the laws being passed by states are unconstitutional, why is Obama affirming the issue as a states' rights issue? Given that he has come out in favor of gay marriage, why doesn't he (his DOJ) challenge them?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Question (and I'm not being snide)

If the laws being passed by states are unconstitutional, why is Obama affirming the issue as a states' rights issue? Given that he has come out in favor of gay marriage, why doesn't he (his DOJ) challenge them?

it will happen where it is supposed to happen. The Supreme Court.

Obama doesnt have absolute power. Though he has advised the DOJ to NOT defend DOMA (which takes away marriage rights and benefits to gay couples). Apparently house republicans just passed some bill that requires the DOJ to defend DOMA.

He wasn't saying sh.it. Nothing will change. He was pandering to the idiots who support gay marriage that don't have the capacity to decipher bulls.hit.

And there are plenty of them.

[Antitrust32]

I cannot support modern day republicans. They want to spend like democrats but say they dont, and also are complete ass holes while they are at it. I'm too fiscally conservative to support democrats.

This is how I feel about politics:

Hello? Hello? Hello?

Is there anybody in there?
Just nod if you can hear me.
Is there anyone at home?
Come on now
I hear you're feeling down.
Well I can ease your pain
Get you on your feet again.
Relax.
I'll need some information first.
Just the basic facts.
Can you show me where it hurts?

There is no pain you are receding
A distant ship smoke on the horizon.
You are only coming through in waves.
Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Question (and I'm not being snide)

If the laws being passed by states are unconstitutional, why is Obama affirming the issue as a states' rights issue? Given that he has come out in favor of gay marriage, why doesn't he (his DOJ) challenge them?

he's trying to have his cake and eat it too? not sure the doj can challenge, i think it's up to the supreme court to declare a law unconstitutional. it seems whenever a pol in the federal system doesn't want to choose a side, he says 'states rights' and runs like a scalded cat.
states can have votes all they wish to placate the majority, and then the courts strike them down and everyone can complaing about legislating from the bench. it's just a game we play.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

He wasn't saying sh.it. Nothing will change. He was pandering to the idiots who support gay marriage that don't have the capacity to decipher bulls.hit.

And there are plenty of them.

[Antitrust32]

Bristol Palin, once again proves you do not need brains to be in the public eye:

She continued, "In this case, it would've been helpful for him to explain to Malia and Sasha that while her friends parents are no doubt lovely people, that's not a reason to change thousands of years of thinking about marriage. Or that – as great as her friends may be – we know that in general kids do better growing up in a mother/father home. Ideally, fathers help shape their kids' worldview."



So I guess she is saying her own kid sucks. I love that a dumb **** who was knocked up as a teen and hates her baby daddy would like to give relationship and child rearing advice.

I'd point to the study where it proves children of lesbian couples have higher grades and get in less trouble at school, but I really dont believe same sex couples raise their children better than hetero couples. It's all about how much the parent gets involved in their childs life and teaches them right from wrong.. and inforces rules. Whether they be Mom and Dad, Mom and Momma or Dad and Daddy. I know single parent homes where their kid is loved and taught as well as anyone I know.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Bristol Palin, once again proves you do not need brains to be in the public eye:

She continued, "In this case, it would've been helpful for him to explain to Malia and Sasha that while her friends parents are no doubt lovely people, that's not a reason to change thousands of years of thinking about marriage. Or that – as great as her friends may be – we know that in general kids do better growing up in a mother/father home. Ideally, fathers help shape their kids' worldview."



So I guess she is saying her own kid sucks. I love that a dumb **** who was knocked up as a teen and hates her baby daddy would like to give relationship and child rearing advice.

I'd point to the study where it proves children of lesbian couples have higher grades and get in less trouble at school, but I really dont believe same sex couples raise their children better than hetero couples. It's all about how much the parent gets involved in their childs life and teaches them right from wrong.. and inforces rules. Whether they be Mom and Dad, Mom and Momma or Dad and Daddy. I know single parent homes where their kid is loved and taught as well as anyone I know.

I absolutely believe they raise their children better. They actually make the decision to have children becuase they want them. I believe they work harder because they have made that decision.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by jms62

I absolutely believe they raise their children better. They actually make the decision to have children becuase they want them. I believe they work harder because they have made that decision.

It's a fair point, but I just don't like the fact that all traditional married people are getting lumped in to the "accident baby" category.

My only question is how do the children of these couples deal with the eventual critics/teasing that will eventually come from other children (and very naive adults) along the way? I just wonder what the percentage is of these kids ending up psychological issues are.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

It's a fair point, but I just don't like the fact that all traditional married people are getting lumped in to the "accident baby" category.

My only question is how do the children of these couples deal with the eventual critics/teasing that will eventually come from other children (and very naive adults) along the way? I just wonder what the percentage is of these kids ending up psychological issues are.

Didn't mean all Matt the gist of my point is that nearly all of them are in the game becuase they want to be and go to great lengths to be. And you make a great point about psychological issues but then again how many children in general are going to have issues when they realize that there are really winners and losers in the world, no partcipation trophies and mommy and daddy can't fix all their problems.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by jms62

Didn't mean all Matt the gist of my point is that nearly all of them are in the game becuase they want to be and go to great lengths to be. And you make a great point about psychological issues but then again how many children in general are going to have issues when they realize that there are really winners and losers in the world, no partcipation trophies and mommy and daddy can't fix all their problems.

I remember when I was in grade school being embarrassed of my parents, but I think that's just all kids when they are young. I see it now with Little Matt and he's only 9. It's just a stage most kids go through, now throw in the gay wrench in and it probably magnifies it greatly. Like I said before, kids are ruthless and don't think before they speak (actually I know a lot of adults that do that too). They also gang up on the weak link and I'm afraid that some of these kids will constantly get picked on throughout their school years because they have 2 mothers or 2 fathers.

I have a gay cousin, her and her partner have a child. He's a cute kid, but I just wonder how he's going to be in the future.

I know most of these kids are loved greatly. Eventually one day down the road they will realize and appreciate the love and support their parents gave them, but I do worry about everything that happens in the middle of that time.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

It's a fair point, but I just don't like the fact that all traditional married people are getting lumped in to the "accident baby" category.

My only question is how do the children of these couples deal with the eventual critics/teasing that will eventually come from other children (and very naive adults) along the way? I just wonder what the percentage is of these kids ending up psychological issues are.

I'm not sure in today's age it is that bad. Probably would have been worse years ago.

I think actual gay kids get teased a lot at school, but I dont hear of it much with kids whose parents are gay.

Though the teasing reflects poorly on the parenting of the kids whose hetrosexual parents did not teach them it is wrong to make fun of people who may be different than you, or have a different family than you.. not on the kids being teased themselves.

I would bet money that the percentage of kids who have psychological issues with gay parents are right around the same percentage of kids who grow up in a traditional family. Now the gay children, I do think they have a higher percentage because they have to deal with the fact that some people dont respect them and are too young to understand that it is not their fault.

[Antitrust32]

When I was in highschool 11-14 years ago, I do not remember kids being teased because of gay parents or dead beat dads. One kid who had lesbian moms was one of the most popular kids in high school and now is a music industry mogul and making tons of money at like 27 years old. Though the few kids who you could tell were gay, or may not have been socially outgoing were certainly teased.